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I'm not sure, but I think the good, old standard standby thing
will work with SE ($15K per CPU).Data Guard requires EE, so that's
$40K.But 3rd party tools (I have t
Now
you've done it... I'll never be able to listen to that song again without
thinking...
"We
will, we will, RAC you"
:-)
-Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard
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Re: [new info] Redhat AdvancedServer Dev Edition - RAC
I'm not sure, but I think the good, old standard standby thingwill work
with SE ($15K per CPU).
Data Guard requires EE, so that's$40K.
But 3rd party tools (I have tested none of them, but I kn
is an art!
-Original Message-From: Johnston, Tim
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RE: [new info] Redhat Advanced Server Dev Edition - RAC
Now
you've done it... I'll never be able to listen
With all this discussion on Why RAC?, I thought I'd chime in with our
reasoning, at least as it stands before any testing.
We currently have a few major databases for our ERP/MRP system,
Engineering drawings, and legacy (I loathe that word) data. These
databases are spread across three larger
If you asked me last week I might not have formulated much of an opinion,
but I have been tainted by Mogens presentation on RAC or Not To RAC.
Here are some questions you need to ask...
Why not go with a box capable of the CPU's you will eventually need. Why
add machines when adding CPU's might
I'm
RAC --ing my brains on this cluster...
-Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra
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If you asked me last week I might not have formulated much of an opinion,
but I have been tainted by Mogens presentation on RAC or Not To RAC.
Here are some questions you need to ask...
Why not go with a box
if the SAN fails. ( it happens )
Jared
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Hey Ethan,
Our problem with 64 CPUs is the Oracle licensing cost. $2.5M exceeds our
entire IT budget (I think). Not to mention that machines that can handle 64
CPUs -- HP's PA-RISC and Alphas and Sun's Ultras among others -- are
prohibitively expensive for us. Also, if the server cluster ain't
I heard Mogens talk about this at the UKOUG Unix SIG in London at the end of
last month (You Probably Don't Need RAC, or: pRos And Cons). It was truly
an eye opener! The upshot was, if you don't have a requirement to be up from
a failure within 5 minutes, then you don't need RAC. As has already
Thanks, Mark. Any email helps. Wherever I've taught a class around the world
while I was still with Oracle, or later after doing the Miracle thing, I've
always given out my email address and phone numbers to everybody in the room
- and on average have received two emails even when I was
I'm not sure, but I think the good, old standard standby thing will work
with SE ($15K per CPU).
Data Guard requires EE, so that's $40K.
But 3rd party tools (I have tested none of them, but I know the name Quest
Shareplex) will run on SE - but then they probably cost a lot, too. Oracle
is
Advanced Server (developer's edition) seems to be much easier than the
standard edition simply in terms of getting OCFS to work so that's the way
I've gone. I've tried Suse 8.0 and RedHat 8.0 and I could load the OCFS
module but it wasn't stable and frankly I didn't trust it much. Also using
the
I was doing some research on firewire disks when saw this article:
http://technet.oracle.com/oramag/webcolumns/2002/opinion/coekaerts_linux01.h
tml
Regards,
Waleed
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:09 AM
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Advanced Server
yep I must know this by heart now.
Also see Metalink Tech notes, 183408.1 and 220178.1 and
http://www.dbasupport.com/oracle/ora9i/RacLinuxFirewire1.shtml
regards,
Mike
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Sent: 11 February 2003 14:40
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I was doing some research
This is all cool technology, and fun stuff to play with.
It all begs the questions,
How many of us work for a business that actually need this?
Are they willing to pay $400/user $20k/CPU above the cost
of Oracle 9i EE to use it?
Are they willing to pay the extra overhead required to maintain
I don't know anyone who needs it but Oracle is behind it and that means that
sooner or later they'll start to shift licenses. I'd be foolish to ignore
the chance to experiment with RAC at home for £150 (I had a lot of the kit
already) rather than pay Oracle £1158 for a 3 day RAC course (plus the
And what is the point of sending text messages
to someone elses phone when you could just call them?
Sending SMS is not meant to replace phone calls, but
there are situations when sending a SMS is more desirable.
Such as you need to get a message to a person who is in a
meeting and can't take
I'm with Mike on this one, except I was just told earlier this morning
that the current client I'm at wants to move the 11i apps to RAC. DO
they need it, nope, do they want it, yep(and have basically already cut
the check for the cost of RAC(since its on sale till end of month) :)
So the
Welcome to Corporate America, where damagers who have never written a code in the last
decade (if ever) and have been promoted beyond their competence level make decisions
about what is best for their systems and applications. DBA's and the like are little
peeon grunts that do the work. Who
!
** The opinions and statements above are entirely my own and not those of my
employer or clients **
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From: Joseph S Testa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:34 AM
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FYI, I am headed to Mogens RAC or Not to RAC presentation at the hotsos
symposium, let you know what I learn!
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:30 AM
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This is all cool technology, and fun stuff to play with.
It all begs the
This is great! So how can we get a RAC configuration running for less 1000
dollars? :)
Waleed
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Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:24 AM
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To those who are interested in running RAC on Linux.
I know we have been talking about RAC
I'm setting this up now. Still not exactly smooth. I currently have 4
different sets of instructions on how to set this up and I'm working through
them with increasingly high stress levels =)
Perhaps it's time to cut back the coffee intake and have lunch.
Cheers,
Mike Hately
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Well u still probably can't(for production purposes) but for
testing(which is what i want to do), its possible.
I'm downloading right now, 4 600M+ iso images.
hopefully next week will start messing with it and let you all know how
it works out.
Joe
This is great! So how can we get a RAC
Hrm, let's see. I use one PC with 1/2gb RAM, 20GB HD $500. VMWare $399.
RAC (download from OTN).
There you go. :)
Richard Ji
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:04 AM
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This is great! So how can we get a RAC configuration
How to build a $1000 RAC
http://www.cool-tools.co.uk/products/docs/91rac_config.pdf
;)
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Waleed
Sent: 10 February 2003 14:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
This is great! So how can we get a RAC configuration running for less 1000
dollars? :)
Waleed
OCFS I'm afraid. The RHAS install goes quickly and without incident. The
problem I have is that having installed the firewire kernel and the OCFS
tools, my disk (which I can happily format as ext2) refuses to be formatted
as an OCFS filesystem.
The format command completes immediately with no
Cool :)
Waleed
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:59 AM
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How to build a $1000 RAC
http://www.cool-tools.co.uk/products/docs/91rac_config.pdf
;)
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Waleed
Sent: 10 February 2003 14:04
To: Multiple
Are you pulling your hair out over the RHAS or RAC installs?
Rich
Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:19 AM
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Oh forgot the $60 for RHASD.
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Hrm, let's see. I use one PC with 1/2gb RAM, 20GB HD $500. VMWare $399.
RAC (download from OTN).
There you go. :)
Richard Ji
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Ayou're using Wim Coekaerts' Firewire mod. I wonder if that's
what's giving you grief and not OCFS? Please?
We should be able to test RAC with a dual-ended SCSI or SAN.
prayHopefully we won't have those problems!/pray
Keep us informed of your progress! GL!
Rich
Rich Jesse
Are you going to use RH AS or the plain version?
Thanks
Waleed
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:19 AM
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I'm setting this up now. Still not exactly smooth. I currently have 4
different sets of instructions on how to set this
Ah, got it! As with all things it doesn't really work until you tick the box
that says FORCE.
Cheers,
Mike
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Sent: 10 February 2003 16:38
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Cc: Hately, Mike (NESL-IT)
OCFS I'm afraid. The RHAS install goes quickly and without
Rich,
I was just about to go the SCSI route when the firewire patch came out and I
have 2 machines available with firewire and 500MB RAM each.
Once I get this up and running I might try the NBD method that Brian Hengen
suggested last week.
Someone on site here is talking about building a Tru64
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