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Degree/OCP achievement doesn't teach f all - in my opinion - though it
does prove your memory isn't shot.
I can think of much cheaper and much more reliable and credible ways of
checking my memory... :)
lot. The reason, for example, that I personally prefer
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more and more employers are requiring OCPs and 'related degrees' such as computer
science or a masters degree.
At least in the US they are. How are things in other parts of the world?
For an
Mercadante, Thomas F scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Bill,
Did you point out to them how *freekin wrong* they had been?!?!?!?!
I would not have been able to resist the free shot.
ya never know when i'll need to find another contract, so i was very
diplomatic. but damn it was
Noons writes
For an application DBA? Exactly which part of the degree
or OCP prepares or qualifies one for such a job
specification? Matter of fact, where is application DBA
defined in Oracle education or any other IT education
organization? Which courses from Oracle prepare one for
I am wondering, if some people are called Development DBAs or Application
Database Administrators, are there people called Database Database
Administrators?
Sounds kind of redundant. It seems to me if DBA (the acronym) wasn't used
routinely as a word, and people lost track of what the acronym
Or Business Systems Administrators...
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Sent: 03 September 2003 13:11
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I am wondering, if some people are called Development DBAs or
Application
Database Administrators, are there people called Database Database
Administrators?
: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Application DBA
Patrice, Stephane
My 2 cents worth. I have seen differences between
administering an Oracle database that is hosting an in-house
Title: RE: Application DBA
Developer Administrators... not in this lifetime. There are some of our developers I don't want to 'administer'... it is too much fun watching/helping them learn. Once they come to terms with my sense of humor and realize that I want them to experiment and try new
i take 'applications dbas' when i see them advertised as jobs to mean a dba
experienced with the the oracle applications like financials, etc...
am i correct to assume this?
From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/02 Tue PM 03:54:26 EDT
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Usually, the term used is devlopment DBA.
sniperoo
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/oit/SDM/inHTML/HtmlFiles/SDM/StyleGu
ide/SECURITYANDACCESSPOLICY.htm
and some will insist they be OCPs...
Cheers
Nuno Souto
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Subject: Re: Application DBA
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Usually, the term used is devlopment DBA.
sniperoo
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/oit/SDM/inHTML/HtmlFiles/SDM/StyleGu
ide/SECURITYANDACCESSPOLICY.htm
and some will insist they be OCPs
not here... we are running Oracle Financials somewhere but not related to
me, I don't interact with that group.
Patrice.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:29 PM
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i take 'applications dbas' when i see them advertised as jobs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
more and more employers are requiring OCPs and 'related degrees' such
as computer science or a masters degree. At least in the US they are.
How are things in other parts of the world?
that they are and experience doesn't seem to
im going with the flow. doing a Masters(company is paying for it) and doing
my OCP. Ill probably go cert happy over time... do java,solaris, etc... I
know for a fact not having a computer science degree hurt me. I was told it.
So if employers want something, Ill give it to them. As long as a
Bill,
Did you point out to them how *freekin wrong* they had been?!?!?!?! I would
not have been able to resist the free shot.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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Back in India, the academic qualification is weighed more than anything
else. Guys from institutes like Indian Institute of Technology IITs
/ Indian Institue Management (IIT/IM) (to quote an example) are treated as
demi-godes and look at with awe (even if the guy doesn't know anything
about
William, I did my OCP because of the same reason. My student was given
preference by one recruiter who did OCP and my resume kept on a side because
I was not OCP. My 10 years experience in 1998 was not counted agianst 1 year
experience + OCP of my student.
Yes, this happened in USA. Now a days
Title: Message
Usually, the term used is devlopment DBA.
Stephane Paquette
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Patrice, Stephane
My 2 cents worth. I have seen differences between administering an Oracle
database that is hosting an in-house developed application compared to
administering and Oracle database that is hosting a third-party application.
In one case you get to know the developers, negotiate
In the usage I'm familiar with (I are one) an applications DBA is
responsible for both the database and the apps stack in an Oracle
Application's environment. What it means outside the hallowed Oracle
Apps world is, wait for it, application dependant :-) Groans will be
redeircted to a kill file!
Title: RE: Application DBA
devnull
April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite
Adam Wells age 11
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From: Nelson, Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September
Hi,
just to throw my 2 (still Pfennigs) in, I used to work as a production
DBA up
till 1998, then moved to a more development DBA/ developer style job.
I can only say that it is a hundred percent right (eventhough complete
bu*$%hit) that development (especially analysis and design) has a much
Patrice - I think the previous discussion was not referring to application
developers that had appointed themselves to be an application DBA but to
honest-to-goodness certified, card-carrying Oracle DBAs, some of whom tend
to work with new development. I agree with you that DBA has the word
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