RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Gary Weber
Title: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... Very stupid thing to do by Oracle, considering the fact that many Oracle purchasing decisions are made by Oracle DBAs. To shut us out like that will most certainly have an effect on Oracle Sales. Hell, you don't need me anymore? I'll switc

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Thater, William
On Fri, 25 May 2001,Gary Weber scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Very stupid thing to do by Oracle, considering the fact that many Oracle ->purchasing decisions are made by Oracle DBAs. To shut us out like that ->will most certainly have an effect on Oracle Sales. Hell, you don't need ->

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)
ve got a PBS mind in an MTV world Oracle DBA  | Guidant Corporation | -Original Message-From: Gary Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:27 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don&

Re: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Nuno Souto
They conveniently forget that most of the tasks of many DBAs consist in responding to requests from developers that need to be actioned immediately, not via telephone or e-mails. But then again, their "superior" support staff should be able to "proactively" predict these? ;-) Sounds like anoth

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Rodd Holman
consulting services - onsite all the time. Sure that would be cheaper than having a DBA on staff ... ;-) Rodd Holman Original Message dated 5/25/01, 12:28:53 PM Author: "Vergara," Michael "(TEM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymo

Re: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Terry Ball
I passed Gary's e-mail around the office and we all had a good laugh. Our consensus was; the support Oracle already provides, our DB's would be down for ages every time there was a problem and the solution would be to recreate the DB. Terry Gary Weber wrote: > Very stupid thing to do by Oracl

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread PD Miller
I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a site by some of Oracle's 'superior' consultants! At 8:27 -0800 25/5/01, Gary Weber wrote: >Far as their "superior" i-dba team, I sure hope those are different >people from the ones you get on first line of Support... Cheers Paul Miller

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Yosi
8 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... > > > I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a site by some > of Oracle's 'superior' consultants! > > At 8:27 -0800

Re: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Ron Rogers
If the i-DBA team walks the walk and talks the talk and convinces your damagement to "let them house your database needs" then they can provide full attention to it and have it running as "smooth and reliable as Metal-slink" Read all of the fine and super-fine print and don't forget to threat,

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread DBarbour
hater, William" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Henry Poras
to do a delight."   Henry -Original Message-From: Vergara, Michael (TEM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:29 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... I can remember as far back as version 7.3

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Henry Poras
recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... Very stupid thing to do by Oracle, considering the fact that many Oracle purchasing decisions are made by Oracle DBAs. To shut us out like that will most certainly have an effect on Ora

RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-31 Thread The Oracle DBA
I need to find the article I had saved about Oracle 6.0 (as we were preparing to upgrade from 5.1). It was something about how the 6.0 DBA would be bored and would now be able to help appdev. Cheers, Earl --- TheOracleDBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 25 May 2001 09:28:53 Vergara, Michael

Re: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-31 Thread Don Granaman
What a hoot! I mean all these wild statements about not needing DBA's anymore (or sometime in the future). Is Oracle actually getting simpler with each new release? With tongue firmly planted in cheek, here is the Oracle 5.1 DBA "OCP" exam. You be the judge... Q1) How do you cold start an ins

OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Gene Sais
PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... > > > I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a site by some > of Oracle's 'superior

Re:OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread dgoulet
t; Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... > > > I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a site by some > of Oracle's 'superior' consu

RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-25 Thread Hillman, Alex
e Support, and I do this all the time too, I just want to put in a good word for SOME of my old friends. Have a great weekend. Yosi > -Original Message- > From: PD Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of lis

RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Yosi
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re:OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... > > > Yosi, > > I interviewed for one of those jobs here i

RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Yosi
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... > > > Oracle charges for such guys 250-350 an hour and pay them 50-90K/year > (15-20% bonus and

RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller
or what? I've got a migraine, the fiorinal didn't do it's usual magic, and I really ought to go home.) > -Original Message- > From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >

RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Hillman, Alex
l magic, and I really ought to go home.) > -Original Message- > From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... >

Re: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Greg Moore
> And for those of us looking now, we know where > the market is going, and Oracle's salaries are > getting more in line with everyone else's anyway. I'm about to start looking. Curious to know where you believe the market is going. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.co