RE: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-07 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
As I said I didn't verify his figures nor confirm he understands what constitutes a transaction. I'll endeavor to do so. The system collects data from monitors measuring the "health" of various test accelerator equipment. The telemetry is buffered before being inserted so that multiple readin

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-07 Thread Anjo Kolk
Ok, It is saturday morning (brain is working at half power), I have looked at this function and at the original requirement and see a problem (may be 2). 1) The time of the multiple instances needs to be in sync with each other. If not, it could be that the 2nd instance has an earlier time and

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-07 Thread Anjo Kolk
1) I think that the tpc numbers are done represented in Transactons Per Minute (TPM/C) and not Per second. So event with 50 tpm/c it means around 8000 tps. 2) Inserting 13000 rows with direct I/O doesn't mean you did 13000 transactions. It could be one transaction 3) I have seen the the

RE: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-06 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
One of our accelerator control system developers, an Oracle neophyte, claims to have achieved 13,000 tps writing to a RAID 5 array. I did set up the database, but most of the credit goes to him for exploring the OCI direct I/O options. I have no verified the rate, but I have no reason whatsoe

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-06 Thread Jared Still
On Wednesday 04 September 2002 09:53, Tim Gorman wrote: > Thinking more about it last night... > > Since Oracle's theoretical limit is 16384 commits per second, I imagine > that you could safely make the sequence recycle at (or 16384 or 9) > and limit the number of digits contributed by t

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-04 Thread Tim Gorman
portantly) zero physical reads thus zero pings... - Original Message - From: Gogala, Mladen To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: RE: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ?? Neat idea. Thanks! -O

RE: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-04 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Neat idea. Thanks! -Original Message-From: Tim Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:28 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ?? Mladen,   Is there any way to have developers/users

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-04 Thread Thomas Day
A day late and a dollar short but here's my $.02 Order will give you the temporal sequencing. Nocache should but it's not certain. Cached numbers are stored in the SYSTEM tablespace and can be retrieved in an atemporal order. I can't give you any specifics, but that's what Oracle says. Nocac

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Tim Gorman
t; and it's "database independent".  That gets 'em every time...   Hope this helps...   -Tim   - Original Message - From: "Mladen Gogala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Murali Vallath
I agree with Anoj, you need to talk to the business folks to remove this dependency. Else you may encounter waits/queues on getting the next sequence numbers. One of the benfits in OPS and in RAC is the sequence cache option, because each instance will not have to query the Oracle's fast cache

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Mladen Gogala
Unfortunately, we have an application dependency and I was required to come up with a quick & dirty fix. Thanks for your reply. On 2002.09.03 19:10 Anjo Kolk wrote: > > If you run OPS and specify order, it works like no cache. > > My question to you: "Why cripple OPS and your business perfor

RE: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Khedr, Waleed
The way I see it is: If you specify ORDER then the only way Oracle can enforce this is getting it from the dictionary which means no caching will be implemented. If you need the data to be ordered then (in my opinion) it's better to declare what you need by using option "ORDER". Using option "N

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Mladen Gogala
Yes, but when analyzed, it turns out that NOCACHE will also yield ordered results. What I'm interested in are internal differences in behavior. My assumption is that with ORDER oracle queries the instances directly, while NOCACHE will simply read/write everything from the disk. On 2002.09.03 1

Re: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Anjo Kolk
If you run OPS and specify order, it works like no cache. My question to you: "Why cripple OPS and your business performance by having this requirement ?" Spending a few bucks to get rid of this dependency will improve the performance, until you run in to the next problem ;-) Anjo. On Wed

RE: OPS Sequences: nocache == order ??

2002-09-03 Thread Khedr, Waleed
It looks like when option "ORDER" is used Oracle guarantees the generated values will be in order since the "CACHE" option will be ignored by Oracle even if it was requested.   This is in the parallel mode.   Look at note: Note:1031850.6   Waleed -Original Message-From: Gogala, M