early this year, Oracle User Resources decided it was no longer profitable
to run ECO.
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Well i get to go to IOUG every year(even if i wasn't presenting), i
bypass on openworld and was hoping to do the ECO thing before they went under
:(
joe
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Well your exactly right about the .coms and
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>You're absolutely correct. I had a momentary brain-burp and
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>Speaking about progressing in your current field wouldn't technical
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>Rachel,
>I hope you have a lot of time set aside for the presentors. It sounds like
Can someone encode the audio... :)
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>Each Presenter gets a 45-60 minute s
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ing out there. But I had so many great presenters I had
to bump myself off the agenda :)
check it out, www.nyoug.org
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>Pretty amazing actually. I won't feel so bad about missing the cruise
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last I heard it was 1 year in 5
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>Check with your tax advisor again or get
no, first you need to write a book, then you PRAY for royalties
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>Pretty amazing actually. I won't feel so bad about missing th
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>Check with your tax advisor again or get a new tax advisor. I don't
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Pretty amazing actually. I won't feel so bad about missing the cruise this
year :-( If I get get to attend this one.
Jay Miller
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>On the other hand, I can take the day off for the NY Us
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maybe if i'm
I've heard of spare time.
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Hi,
within the last 2 years, ... unfortunately none. Since I'm working at
the customer's site, I haven't had any training for the last 2 years. It
works more l
Hi,
within the last 2 years, ... unfortunately none. Since I'm working at
the customer's site, I haven't had any training for the last 2 years. It
works more like: Me: "What about class XYZ", KeyAccountManager: "Do you
really need this ?", Me:"Yes, because of .. blah blah", KeyAccDamager:
"Ok. We
>On the other hand, I can take the day off for the NY Users Group when there
>aren't any emergencies (about 50% of the time).
>
>
>Jay Miller
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try not to have any emergencies on September 12th :) it's gonna be a good
one!
Rachel
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the other way to deduct the full amount of conferences/training is to write
it off against royalties :)
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Really? I was told
that if you are an independent NON
incorporated entity, you will get a 1099 to your social security number.
If you incorporate as a 1099 business (sole prop, non schedule C company) then
your company will get a 1099
Kewl, i never really knew how it worked, got a CPA to make sure that all
happens, i just send her a spreadsheet with the numbers of all my
receipts(in case irs comes knocking), and she does the rest :)
joe
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Generally the way it works
(at least in NH)
If you do not hire
e
When I first started with the company I was told I'd be sent to training
every year. Nothing.
When I was promoted to my full-time DBA position I asked for training. I
was told I didn't need it. I took classes on my own time and dollar.
After 4 years with the company I was finally allowed to go
Christopher,
On that same thought, I read the best response to a company who won't train their
people because "then they'll leave".
Which would you rather have happen? Train people and have them leave or not train
them and have them stay? I know where I'd rather work.
Stephen Andert
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Either to
don't need to incorporate, or my
tax
accountant lied to me, I don't know
which, but
I have written off training
and IOUG-A
trips (that were paid for 100% by
me) while
I was an employee of
a
consulting firm.
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Either to
don't need to incorporate, or my
tax
accountant lied to me, I don't know
which, but
I have written off training
and IOUG-A
trips (that were paid for 100% by
me) while
I was an
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>Patrice,
> There is "resistance" to any training that I feel is
>necessary to further my knowledge and/or enhance my
>understanding of the Oracle processes. Even though I have
>money in the b
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That i dont know for sure, i incorporated so there would be
less questions from the IRS, got a taxid the whole thing, separate checking
acct, credit cards, so there is a definite separation between business money and
personal money.
joe
oh and my original statement should have been a
q
SEOUC instead of ECO :)
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>Well i get to go to
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You can't write off training. you need to get
incorporated. I'm a business entity and if/when the company i work for
won't pay for training, you can bet it will get written off on my taxes, th
Joe do you actually have to get incorporated or can you just file as a
private business? - E
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You can't write off training. you need to get incor
Very common what you explained.
I think businesses are afraid to do training as they think you will become
more marketable and opt to leave.
If they are afraid of that, they should fix the problems or give more money
to make it so you would not want to leave. If they themselves think your
going
Hey good idea.
I am going to write an expense report for all the time I spent reading and
payable due to "Christopher R. Spence Training Facility".
I am going to be rich!
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way a
You can't write off training. you need to get
incorporated. I'm a business entity and if/when the company i work for
won't pay for training, you can bet it will get written off on my taxes, that
includes all of the oracle books, OCP exams, you name it, it gets deducted as a
legitimate comp
Well i get to go to IOUG every year(even if i wasn't presenting), i bypass
on openworld and was hoping to do the ECO thing before they went under :(
joe
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No it didn't match.
Besides one company, I have yet to accomplish any training. Hense my heavy
spending on books.
Although I hardly ask as I know the answers.
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have thei
expense.
- Ethan
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>Patrice,
> There is "re
Better than that... training... read the PDFs and claim training hours for
reading them... preferably charged to another department if possible.
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HA HA HA HA
YEA FREAKIN RIGHT
Seven mo
They promised a total of 10 days of Training per calendar year when I was
interviewed. And I received all of it for the past 4 years (even in my 1st
partial year). It is up to us to use those 10 days as we please. Either go
to conferences or any combination of conference days + Oracle ILT days. I
Other than my initial Oracle training in 1999 [31 days], I have been getting
5 days in 2000 & 5 days for the current year.
HTH
---Bill
Bill Gentry
DBA
Allina Health System
Minneapolis, MN 55403
612-775-1190
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HA HA HA HA
YEA FREAKIN RIGHT
Seven monthsno training...none scheduled."3000 dollar budget" which
is one (1)
oracle course.not great.
HA HA HA HA
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Patrice,
There is "resistance" to any training that I feel is necessary to further my
knowledge and/or enhance my understanding of the Oracle processes. Even though I have
money in the budget for such items I have to submit a business case defining the gains
to the company and after completing
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Just out of curiosity, how many days / weeks of real training did your
employer provide you with in the last couple of years?
"real" is in quotes, I don't mean the little 1 - 3 day semina
"Boivin, Patrice J" wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity, how many days / weeks of real training did your
> employer provide you with in the last couple of years?
a week at IOUG, and no i was promised 2 conferences and a week's worth
of "formal" training a year.
--
Bill "Shrek" Thater
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