Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Paul Vallee
James Morle's "Scaling Oracle8i" is my favourite book on Oracle performance, and covers the wait interface excellently. Highly recommended. Paul - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:48 AM Yes, I forgot to ment

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
Well Mogens, I clearly remember the point you about 1500 word a day people and 5000 word a day people at my kitchen table. Well I am typing now and my wife is on the phone ;-) Anjo. Mogens Nørgaard wrote: > It's on page 3, line 38. That includes the front page. Never figured out > why you wast

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Ah, good point about Jeff Needham who's now partner with James Morle (ScaleAbilities). I hear rumors that Jeff might also be going to the Database Forum in Sydney. We should have a historical gathering there where we wait in line while everybody else get serviced. Mogens Anjo Kolk wrote: T

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Is that the one where they just copied your whole YAPP paper in without mentioning you at all? I seem to recall seing it at IOUG-A last year, but my memory has always been and will always be bad. Mogens Anjo Kolk wrote: Yes,I forgot to mention Gaja's book, and there is a book out there Orac

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Indeed. When looking at R = S + W I truly get scared when I see stuff like 400 = 399 + 1. Doesn't leave much room for database work, does it? Anjo Kolk wrote: Well absolutely true, but then everything the database does is a symptom ofthe fact that we throw workload at it ;-)"Deshpande, Kirti

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
It's on page 3, line 38. That includes the front page. Never figured out why you waste a lot of words before getting to the point, Anjo? Mogens Jonathan Lewis wrote: >I don't think anyone who reads the original YAPP >paper will miss this. If I recall correctly, one of >it's opening statements

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
Then it depends on the workload and its quality & quantity ;=) because, the database does what it is asked to do ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well absolutely true, but then everything the database does is

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
Well absolutely true, but then everything the database does is a symptom of the fact that we throw workload at it ;-) "Deshpande, Kirti" wrote: > One needs to keep in mind that Waits are the symptoms, and not a problem. > > - Kirti > > -Original Message- > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
One needs to keep in mind that Waits are the symptoms, and not a problem. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think anyone who reads the original YAPP paper will miss this. If I recall correctly, one of it

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Jonathan Lewis
I don't think anyone who reads the original YAPP paper will miss this. If I recall correctly, one of it's opening statements is the classic formula: response time = service time plus wait time. My own mantra puts in rather less scientific terms: If you have a performance problem, eithe

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Sherman, Paul R.
Rather than a genus, how about a species ? Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Don Granaman
There is always Steve Adams' "Oracle8i Internal Services - for Waits, Latches, Locks and Memory" from O'Reilly (undoubtably the all-time record holder for information density). It is best considered as "Foundations for Advanced Tuning" - as described on the cover. Chapter 2 is devoted to waits,

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread bill thater
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >The paper is a condensed version of the book >"Oracle Performance Tuning 101" published by >Osborne (ISBN 0-07-213145-4). This is an >EXCELLENT book and worth every penny that it >costs. > actually i think it's worth more than it costs, but that's just because it made

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
Yes, I forgot to mention Gaja's book, and there is a book out there Oracle DBA 101, that has a complete section (2nd or 3rd) about tuning by wait interface/YAPP. Anjo. Greg Moore wrote: > > 2001 - a lot of books are published with wait > > interface / YAPP methodology > > Tuning 101 gets a

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Greg Moore
> 2001 - a lot of books are published with wait > interface / YAPP methodology Tuning 101 gets a lot of play here, and they devote a chapter to it. Other than that, what books cover waits in a significant way? Thanks. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Anjo Kolk
This is from grandpa's memory: The wait interface (v$system_event, v$session_event, v$session_wait) were introduced in 7.0.12. So if my memory works correctly at this early hour, that was 1992. In 1995, I wrote the Oracle7 wait events and enqueue paper, after Jeff Needham explained a couple of ev

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Jared Still
Nice post. The 'revolution' is indeed not that new, more of an underground guerilla movement. And it wasn't televised. :) Jared On Sunday 21 April 2002 10:33, Don Granaman wrote: > There seems to be a lot of interest in the "tuning revolution" here, so... > > The basics revolve around the vi

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Don Granaman
There seems to be a lot of interest in the "tuning revolution" here, so... The basics revolve around the views v$system_event, v$session_event, and v$session_wait, and v$event_name - and the 10046 event. Rather than try to paraphrase/summarize/expound upon the details, here are some of the best

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Andrey Bronfin
Would u mail it to me tooo , please ... Also , if there is a possibility to get this (and others) papers somewhere on the web... THANKS A LOT !!! -Original Message- Sent: Sun, April 21, 2002 3:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Ron, Can u Also Mail me that Document if i

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Charlie Mengler
The paper is a condensed version of the book "Oracle Performance Tuning 101" published by Osborne (ISBN 0-07-213145-4). This is an EXCELLENT book and worth every penny that it costs. "Koivu, Lisa" wrote: > > Hello all, > > Someone posted a link to a page describing what was going on at ioug-a.

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Ganesh Raja
Ron, Can u Also Mail me that Document if it feasible for u. Thanks. Best Regards, Ganesh R Tel : +971 (4) 397 3337 Ext 420 Fax : +971 (4) 397 6262 HP : +971 (50) 745 6019 Live to learn... forget... and learn again. ===

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Ron Yount
Lisa, (Copy of response sent to your direct e-mail since list servers don't do well with large attachments). I will attach the white paper you are looking for. You should know that this is a quick overview of the content of Gaja's book. Here is my advise: 1) Join IOUG - There are tons of benef