Re: orion-list 1QSb

2001-10-13 Thread Ian Hutchesson
Thanks for your response, Greg. I'll just take the opportunity to deal with the following two matters: 1. Sons of Aaron or sons of Levi? - >I think the most likely addressee at 1.19-3.19 is >probably the Levites (rather than 'sons of Aaron' >as Ian suggests).

Re: orion-list Daniel

2001-10-13 Thread Walter Mattfeld
David, Your observation about Darius the Mede, intriques me. Are you aware that Herodotus at times "slips" and calls Persians "MEDES" ? Are you aware that the Romans at times called the Parthians "MEDES" as well ? Did you know that Cyrus according to Herodotus was the grandson of Astyages, the la

RE: orion-list Daniel

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russell, Thanks again for the bibliography, and I certainly intend to follow up on it. I agree that Sabbatical years can be important markers in Jewish historical narratives. >>Daniel's "Darius the Mede" is of course problematic historically and should be taken into account in evaluating Daniel'

Re: orion-list Daniel

2001-10-13 Thread RGmyrken
David, On 164/163 BCE as a land sabbath year, see 1 Macc. 6:28-54; 2 Macc. 13:1-22. 2 Macc. 13:1 dates this to 163, and 1 Macc. 6:48-54 indicates the reduction of Beth-Zur and Jerusalem were concluded before the expiration of the land sabbath. On the weeks of Daniel as land sabbath cycl

RE: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa (and Daniel)

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russel, >>I don't think the author of Daniel had an accurate grasp of the chronology between the fall of Jerusalem and his own time, so I don't think we can be too precise on the early end of this period<< For various reasons, I suspect that the apparent confusion of chronology in Daniel, and ag

Re: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa (and Daniel)

2001-10-13 Thread RGmyrken
Dear David, First, I see I made a typo: it should be J. Collins (not Collons) the author of _The Scepter and the Star_ (1995). Secondly, I grasp your take on Dan. 9, which is interesting, but I (and others, not that that matters) would see the 7 weeks, 62 weeks, and final week in st

RE: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa (and Daniel)

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russell Gmirkin commented: >>J. Collons, _The Scepter and the Star_ (1995) has a chapter devoted to the Messiahs of Aaron and Israel (p. 74ff) that is fairly exhaustive in its use of secondary literature and basically considers the title to refer to eschatological high priestly and royal figures.

RE: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa (and Daniel)

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russell, My apologies. "you are still looking at the sequence 7, 62, 1 as sequential" should be "you are still looking at the numbers 7, 62, 1 as chronologically sequential" Respectfully, Dave Hindley Cleveland, Ohio, USA For private reply, e-mail to "David C. Hindley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---

Re: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa (and Daniel)

2001-10-13 Thread RGmyrken
David, 1QS 9:11 refers to the time when "there shall come the Prophet and the Messiahs of Aaron and Israel." The Messiah figure or figures we are discussing are thus distinguished from the coming Prophet. J. Collons, _The Scepter and the Star_ (1995) has a chapter devoted to the Messiahs

RE: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russell Gmirkin responded: >>On the first question, one might point to the Oniads as figures holding both high priestly and civil positions. The reference to "Messiah the Prince" (or "the Anointed Prince") at Dan. 9:25 is usually taken to refer to Onias III, assassinated in exile in 170 BCE. Doe