On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean by 
the following previously made statement :

"For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
speed is stil EXCELLENT."
?

In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:

"Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products could 
be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same 
category as BEA WebLogic?  
I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time, however, 
I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without the 
big $$$$$ price tag."

Thank You,
Anthony 

On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
> > WL6 has support for EARs.  They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec
> > except for dependent objects.  In fact, I am currently using WL6 for
> > development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of development
> > going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0.  I had suggested to my boss that
> > we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several months,
> > and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel dumb
> > for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months...
>
> Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release for
> several months, either. They've just had a major release recently, which
> makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
> necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the situation
> at present.
>
> For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
> round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to shake
> out before I abandon ship.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> >
> > Hi kevin,
> >         As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no concept of ear
> > files, does 6.0 include
> > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR =  WAR  +
> > JAR + CAR(or JAR)?
> > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while deploying
> > on WLS, i have to
> > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
> > essence of packaging the ear files,
> > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and all.
> > Is that true with all WLS users?
> >
> > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE,  is WLS6.0?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Santosh.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It is
> > > easy
> >
> > to
> >
> > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks very
> > > interesting as well.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville
> > > > Burnell
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
> > > >
> > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few weeks if
> > > > everything is ok
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Neville Burnell
> > > > Business Manager Software
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about a
> > > > month or
> > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed on
> > > > their site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can
> > > > understand them
> > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the app
> > > > server? I
> > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from them
> > > > on their
> > > > site letting us know what is happening.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph B. Ottinger                           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://epesh.com/                             IT Consultant

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