I hope this discussion won't be too long. I've used most of the best IDE outside. Be it IBM VAJ, Borland JBuilder, WebGain, Oracle JDeveloper, Sun Forte, IDEA.
I found at the end is not the tool... It's more on our personality and requirement. If you do Orion projects, probably JBuilder, JDeveloper, Forte and IDEA suited best. Cheers. B. Adji Maharyatno @Singapore -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Soutter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:35 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: OK, here's Real World: was: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE? And don't forget we'll all be using Drag and Drop Visual tools to do coding soon, so we won't even need tools like IDEA. I guess this will make Computer Science degrees irrelevant as well? LOL Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Boss > Sent: Monday, 25 March 2002 10:27 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Cc: Jarrod Roberson > Subject: OK, here's Real World: was: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: > Java IDE? > > > Hi Jarrod, > > I would like to share some IBM insights with you relevant to some of > your comments ... > > > So anyone that chants the "FREE mantra" keep using Tomcat and Vi and > > all the other "free" crap because in the end it will cost you > > HUNDREDS TIMES more than buying a proper tool and saving > money over > > the long haul. Then again if you are lowballing jobs, and > working on > > crappy little projects all this is moot, why are you using Orion > > then, why not use JBoss or any of the other FREE EJB containers. I > > mean you "COULD" move a mountian with a plastic spoon, > hell they are > > FREE at every fast food joint, but would'nt a sane and reasonable > > person spend the money on real earth moving equipment and > get the job > > done quickly so they could move on to the next paying job > moving the > > next mountain. > > Some time ago I was involved in IBM's "San Fransisco" project, about > which you may know. This enterrpise level tool was > very large and free for development I understand. Various tool makers > came up with ways of enhancing the development > process including the integration of the Rational suite of > products. OK. > That was the story from the West. It turned out that > the most productive developers of San Fransisco applications were NOT > the people who used fancy, expensive Yankee IDE's > or tools, but the teams of hundreds of Indian programmers > around Mumbai. > The Indian software houses could not afford to > pay guys like you, and provide guys like you with tools to make you > productive, and save you time, so you could be with your > family. No. They could afford to hire hundreds of developers > and provide > them with cheap development tools, like 'vi' ;), and > let them loose on a task. So from this International competitive > perspective your comments are way off the mark, the kind > of productivity you speak about, (great design guys, large scale > projects, etc) are irrelevant in the global domain. It > doesn't matter in the end how productive you are, or what > tools you use, you will NEVER > be able to compete with the developer farms of > countries like India, and just wait till China comes on line! > I guess > the same thing that happened to the Western clothing > industry WILL happen to the Western software development > business - it > will be moved off-shore into countries that have > large volumes of super-cheap educated labour, using free > development tools. > > Unfortunately your comments sound like those of an ageing > Western prima > donna whose tunes are increasingly less > popular. Sure tools like Idea were built for prima donna Western > software developers ... but with developer farms coming > on line ... prima donnas and the tools that support them are becoming > less and less of a good business proposition. > > Perhaps you could start a "crappy little project" that could > make you a > lot of money, so you could retire early? > ;) > > Regards > goffredo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
