Right, he could use Tomcat and probably, like many people, he started using tomcat to get experience. There is nothing wrong with Tomcat except that it is slower than the other containers. If that is not a problem then it's fine.
Sometimes the obvious product choice is determined by the level of support so that a newbie can make headway, not by the sophistication of the product. Lets face it, it is easier to make headway on Tomcat than it is on Orion. Free stuff is not the be all and end all, but I think that all products, unless proven to be absolutely beyond redemption, have a place in the developer's arsenal. regards phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: Re: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE? > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > At about $800.00 AUD (roughly=$395.00 USD) > > I'd forget all about idea ... what about > > some ide's with sensible prices? I realised > > *looks at from header, notes "orion-interest"* > > Um, dude... you're using a commercial product. Why? Typically, because the > value you get out of licensing it gives you a good return on your > investment. I *could* use Tomcat instead of Orion... but Tomcat sucks. > It's free, but it sucks. If it didn't suck, the return on the investment > of time would be worthwhile. I use Orion. (Do the math.) > > Editors work the same way. I *could* use vi, or emacs (and I used to use > vi and emacs), but I found that IDEA boosted my productivity (the > "return") so much that I was able to justify the cost (the "investment") > easily and well. And that's after wasting my time with JBuilder, Forte, > Kawa, JEdit, Netbeans (which is better than Forte, despite Forte being > based on Netbeans, joe, vi, emacs, and Eclipse (and I'm sure I'm leaving > some out in this list). > > If you're going to wave the "It's not free" flag, run back to Tomcat and > Apache where you belong. > > > JBuilder was a waste of time after using it > > for years, and waking up to the fact that > > I only used it to package classes anyway. I > > bet people who are recommending idea are using > > other people's money to buy idea licenses? > > > > What about Simplicity? > > > > regards ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Eric Hodges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: RE: Java IDE? > > > Date: 22/03/2002 14:33:50 > > > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Idea for coding, Jbuilder for GUI layout. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Clay Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:55 PM > > > > To: Orion-Interest > > > > Subject: Java IDE? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is? > > > > I've tried JBuilder, IDEA (I like IDEA) and a few others... > > > > any recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Clay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au > > > > > > > >
