Thanks, Harrison
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Esther . . . Thank you thank you . . . I'm high on life right now . . . of
course, I have just gotten incredibly busy with other and new business and
thus my time has become very compacted.
It IS very interesting how when the intentions are out there and are very
clear, things happen - Just as th
Uwe--
I would second your recommendation of Gleick' book on chaos. It's one of the
books that often comes off the shelf for another look!
Joelle
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Harrison,
I hope I pressed the right button as this is supposed to be a response to you,
not the list. but we'll see. Thanks for the further clarification on meme. The
concept caught my attention too and I silently look for memes as I go about my
life. I do have your most recent book The Power
At 11:26 AM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote:
I like seeing this term "meme" show up on the list. I first ran across it
in Art Kleiners book "The Age of The Heretics." He said it is a term
coined by Geneticist Richard Dawkins, referring to the "Secular
Millennium" a time when a fervent aspiration of Mill
At 02:06 PM 2/1/01 +, you wrote:
My main question is the following: what are the special and different
conditions that are at work durind OST? When we talk about
"chaos" and "self-organization" as it happens in an OST meeting,
is it the same sort of chaos and self-organization that, after all
Susan,
I can fully support Harrison's suggestion to focus on results in the corpoarte
setting. It is my experience (and most of my Open Space events happened in the
corporate environment) that this list will help significantly.
Uwe
Pathway Guidance, Rinnengaerten 1, 34516 Voehl-Marienhagen, Germany
Artur,
Echoing someone else's comment, thanks for kick-starting this thread. There
have been some very interesting and rich (in learning) responses. My thanks
to those who are contributing to my learning.
You wrote, "But what I was thinking about was on "normal Organizations" (or
"current organ
Thank you dear OS community for your generous responses -- It is a joy to
feel so supported! Several individuals have stepped forward to help out in
SF -- still seeking OS events in the Bay area -- Harrison's wise words and
great list will be shared -- and I'll 'keep on keeping on'. I'll be sure
At 07:18 01-02-2001 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:
I guess what I am suggesting is that the distinction between constrained
and not constrained, functionally considered, is not all that much, or
maybe nothing at all. I know the conventional wisdom understands that in
most organizations the job of m
At a much more applied level, "Surfing the Edge of Chaos: The Laws of
Nature and the New Laws of Business" (2000. Pascale, Millerman, Gioja,
Crown Business Publishing Group) is trying to apply some of the theory. I
think it is pretty good at articulating an organic understanding of
organizations
To Doc (Richard Holloway),
Thank you for reminding me to notice them as they play around my feet.
Chris
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Hello Christoph:
At 09:45 01-02-2001 +0100, Christoph J.W. Schmees wrote:
This is a common misconception.
Prigogine definitely did not invent chaos theory. He just used it as a tool
in the same way he probably has used algebra and all other mathematical
methods useful for him.
Chaos theory was
Susan Partnow
There is an active Youth Parliament in Scotland which parallels the
new Parliament created two years ago. Perhaps, one way to start is
with young people who are more open to new ways of doing things
without most of the control baggage older people carry.
We are facilitating an eve
Doc,
Thank you very very much for your comments and references, Doc.
I will follow the links this week end... Some coments.
At 23:38 31-01-2001 -0800, Richard Holloway wrote:
Artur,
Normal systems is a label which is probably not very meaningful. If you are
referring to "normal" living system
Barry Owen schrieb:
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> Remember . . . Always give as good as you get and you will get as good as
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berry,
give more than you get,
than you´ll get more than you expected to get.
(that´s because mostly we don´t realize
how much it is, what we are getting)
florian
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I like seeing this term "meme" show up on the list. I first ran across it in
Art Kleiners book "The Age of The Heretics." He said it is a term coined by
Geneticist Richard Dawkins, referring to the "Secular Millennium" a time when a
fervent aspiration of Millenarians emerged in the twelfth cent
Arthur et al,
thanks for creating this thread, this is a wondeful topic. But is is also very
complex, in particular regarding the questions How these thoughts and models
evolved. What helped me to find some structure of interpretation is a book that
Harrison recommeded the first time I participated
Hi Artur,
At 01:29 1.2.2001 +, you wrote:
At 01:41 01-02-2001 +0100, Christoph J.W. Schmees wrote:
In the first place there is no connection between choas theory (fractals,
Julia sets, bifurcation, you name it) and Prigogine's work
What do you mean by "there are no connections"?. As Prig
At 01:41 AM 2/1/01 +0100, Christoph
wrote:
In the first place there is no connection between choas theory (fractals,
Julia sets, bifurcation, you name it) and Prigogine's work.
Technically correct, I am sure, but Ilya did have a few things to say about
chaos and emergent order. One might even
At 04:57 PM 1/31/01 -0700,Susan Partnow wrote:
I am helping a group plan their regional conference -- to be in San
Francisco June 29-July 1. Only one person on the planning committee has
ever experienced Open Space and, as you can imagine, there is a lot of
resistance and pushing to 'control' an
At 18:05 31-01-2001 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:
But on the question above... I know that every organization would like to
think that it is a "constrained system" -- therefore a "closed system --
and I AM IN CHARGE. Whoever "I" is. But I think the truth is rather that
there is no such thing a
At 23:58 31.1.2001 +, you wrote:
At 18:05 31-01-2001 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:
I suspect this can be very important to other questions
we have discussed here, namely, that "normal organizations" are
"constrained systems", that are in a sort of "equilibrium". So they
DO NOT evidence the c
At 01:41 01-02-2001 +0100, Christoph J.W. Schmees wrote:
In the first place there is no connection between choas theory (fractals,
Julia sets, bifurcation, you name it) and Prigogine's work
What do you mean by "there are no connections"?. As Prigogine created
chaos theory, there are obvious co
Artur--
Thanks, Artur, for raising this interesting question. I have read some of
Prigogine's work, and heard him lecture about 15 years ago (he was clear and
very interesting to listen to--my ten-year-old son was able to grasp the
concepts). But I don't believe I've read the book you mentioned
I wasn't sure Mary was going to join us on the listserve, but I believe she
is now amongst us.
Mary is/was THE pioneer for introducing Open Space to the organization I
referenced in my last email and carrying through beautifully with opening
the Space and continuing to hold the space with them .
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