Another viewpoint with some good questions for Muslims and us.

2001-09-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
Charles Krauthammer / Syndicated columnist This is not the time for moral relativism WASHINGTON - In the wake of a massacre that killed more than 5,000 innocent Americans in a day, one might expect moral clarity. After all, four days after Pearl Harbor, the isolationist America First Committe

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Chris Corrigan
I was holding back on this thread a little, but I think something has coalesced in my head enough to be able to wade in... I know a man who is a fire fighter here in a city near Vancouver. He is a former Marine. He spent several years in the US Marines stationed in places like Okinawa and others

Fwd:CWS Prepares Shelter For Afghan Refugees

2001-09-24 Thread Kay Lindahl
Dear Friends, This organization has been in Afghanistan and Pakistan for years, doing relief work and empowering self sufficiency. So far, they are still there. This e-mail indicates what they are doing and what the needs are. It is one source for making a difference there, now. Please share thi

Re: Fw: New Virus Sounds serious

2001-09-24 Thread Toni Petrinovich
Thanks, Chris. Toni - Original Message - From: "Chris Corrigan" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: New Virus Sounds serious > This is a hoax, and has all the markings of a hoax, including the > exhortation to send it out to everyone you know. > > You can chec

Fw: [HolyGrail] World Trade Center--- New Virus Alert!

2001-09-24 Thread Toni Petrinovich
World Trade Center--- New Virus Alert!Here we go again - Toni - Original Message - From: Sharon Hart To: answ...@htg.net Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: [HolyGrail] World Trade Center--- New Virus Alert! Dear Friends, This is just in.Better safe than sorry, so

Enough resources for each Being on Earth, alternatives to war

2001-09-24 Thread Toni Petrinovich
>From another list I am on - Toni Connecting the Dots.An Alternative to War I am having a different vision of what is possible, what may be true and what is illusion. The dots are sporadically placed, and this information may challenge what you currently believe and accept. Try to

Re: Fwd: VIRUS WARNING: New 'War Vote' Virus Deletes Computer Files

2001-09-24 Thread Chris Corrigan
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Fwd: VIRUS WARNING: New 'War Vote' Virus Deletes Computer Files

2001-09-24 Thread Zeno Swijtink
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Re: Fw: New Virus Sounds serious

2001-09-24 Thread Chris Corrigan
This is a hoax, and has all the markings of a hoax, including the exhortation to send it out to everyone you know. You can check on the hoax at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/virtual.card.for.you.html Before forwarding these types of emails to the list, please check with the Symantec

Fw: New Virus Sounds serious

2001-09-24 Thread Toni Petrinovich
FW: New Virus Sounds seriousPerhaps this is not a hoax. Sometimes we do not know. If it turns out not to be real, all the better. Toni - Original Message - From: Joy's To: Toni Petrinovich Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: FW: New Virus Sounds serious -- F

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread (David Koehler)
michael: To underscore and in aggrement. Dave

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Thanks, Michael, for your thoughtful words. I'm reminded of a true story. I have a friend, Joel Levey, whose grandfather was a rabbi and who himself practices Tibetan Buddhism. Once, he and his wife were invited to teach their course, The Ultimate Warrior, for a cadre of Green Berets in training

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Michael Herman
dave, i think the quote below could be a little out of context. or at least i do not understand your comment in relation to it. i am in total agreement with what you are saying in your comment. the importance of words is what i was getting at... so am now wanting to understand if you are intend

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread (David Koehler)
In a message dated 9/24/01 12:07:47 PM Central Daylight Time, mher...@globalchicago.net writes: > . i think i watched the planes and buildings come down on tuesday and > didn't *really* dismay until i heard cnn and others label the whole thing > "attack on america"... attack seems to demand coun

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Harrison-- I agree with you that sometimes the Warrior is needed. I think we need to help ensure that the voice of the Way of the Warrior is present among the many voices calling for war. And to hold space for the Ways of Healing, Vision and Teaching are heard as well. I believe that going to w

Re: An Indigenous perspective following the events of 11 Sept 2001

2001-09-24 Thread uwe.weissflog
Martin, thank you for sharing this. It made me reflect and think. Uwe Pathway Guidance, Rinnengaerten 1, 34516 Voehl-Marienhagen, Germany email: uwe.weissf...@pathwayguidance.com email (personal): uwe.weissf...@t-online.de phone: 49-5635-991197; fax: 49-5635-993934 * *

Fw: Pinkola Estes

2001-09-24 Thread skaparlust
Dear list, Received this wonderful words from a friend and I like to share it with you. Love Agneta Falk Forwarded Message: Subj: Clarissa Pinkola Estés, PhD on Trauma and Terrorism sickness Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:27:30 PM FROM : Clarissa Pinkola Estés, Ph.D. author, psych

Re: Report re Sept. 21st

2001-09-24 Thread Terry Gibson
Dear Birgitt, On the 21, I formed a circle with my daughter Phoebe (who was to be 20 months old the following day). We sat on the lawn under clear blue skies in the exact same spot that you and Ward and the rest of my family had occupied in the summer. My thoughts were around the subject of stewar

An Indigenous perspective following the events of 11 Sept 2001

2001-09-24 Thread marty
This one comes "from the heart." Holding space in Dublin, Ireland, Martin Giannini mlg2...@yahoo.com --- I, Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Nation, would like to ask for this time for you to understand an Indigenous perspective in reflection of what has h

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Michael Herman
Harrison Owen wrote: > At 09:24 PM 9/23/01 -0400, you wrote: > > The capacity to take a stand, regardless of consequences -- I mean > really take a stand is core for me. But I think it is important to > note that The Way of the Warrior in not only found in the military -- > although the military

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Julie Smith
Greetings all, Harrison, you quoted Winston (in bold) and then wrote: As for the writer of Ecclesiastes, good on him/her; but as we all know one can find support for anything in the bible, including in the old testament some of the worst "terrorist" acts perpetrated on mankind (viz: the flo

Re: For Laurel

2001-09-24 Thread Ros Crompton
How lovely - a mandala for healing. Thank you Nancy. Ros. - Original Message - From: "Nancy White" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: For Laurel > http://www.fullcirc.com/community/holdingcenter.jpg > > * > * > ==

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Winston Kinch
Dear Harrison: Thank you for your thoughtful response. It is well that we do not all feel we have to stand in the same place. As a Warrior, I choose to stand with non-violence. I honour and respect your point of view. I just like Aine's answer better... Shalom Winston

Re: Laurel needs our thoughts

2001-09-24 Thread (David Koehler)
Dear Sister: Our thoughts and prayers are with you Laurel. May God give back to you the strength and support that you have given others your whole life. Dave Koehler

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Harrison Owen
At 09:24 PM 9/23/01 -0400, you wrote: With regard to your post, mebbie so... and on the other hand mebbie not. For instance, it is not obvious to me that Arrien speaks about the Way of the Warrior in the same way you are doing here - at least not in the piece below (ref. my underlined ital

Re: An open letter to those interested in peace or war ...

2001-09-24 Thread Artur F. Silva
At 18:08 23-09-2001, Julie Hotard wrote: A friend sent me this description of a vision from someone of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma. I don't claim to understand it, but it is intriguing. Any comments? A very interesting "short novel". Interesting characters - Rabid, the Creator, Bush, Me, O

Re: Fw: 11 September 2001 - International Day of Peace

2001-09-24 Thread Artur F. Silva
At 22:21 23-09-2001, Agneta Setterwall wrote: I was shocked when I found this deep down in my maillist. All that happened made me totally forget about this. I wonder if the day was chosen, or if it is a coincidence. This is the first year in the Decade for a Culture of Peace and Non-violence

FBBecker's discussion.

2001-09-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/21/01 7:22:51 AM, fbbec...@earthlink.net writes: << It is one thing to turn the other cheek, and an entirely different thing to expose one's backside in the process! >> Yup, the fact is, there is evil in the world. Denying it, or wishing it away, doesn't help. We have to f

Artur, et. al: re: Food against terrorism

2001-09-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
Hello, Communicants/Friends, et. al., It seems to me that we should think of this for the whole world, not just the crisis for the moment. And we should think deeply about it, how to bring it about. It is not a simple as it looks. A friend of mine (Jim Rough) one day concocted an addition to th

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread FamilyFirm
In a message dated 9/23/01 10:11:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owe...@mindspring.com writes: << The Way of the Warrior. >> Amen, Harrison Joe Paul * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe,