Re: Just a quote I found in Gleick's book on Chaos

2002-01-29 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Beautiful, Chris! Something about Open Space, indeed. Joelle * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Visit: h

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread florian fischer
Jeff Aitken schrieb: > .Here's a bit of research on shalom. > > dear jeff, thank you so much. > that profound wonderful description about shalom/peace > seems just about something which can never be reached. > and just that is the reason which makes us > running an looking and yearning, and mak

SV: ta da! the non-guide is illustrated!

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas Herrmann
Hi Michael, Chris & all of you authors and others Thanks for this great contribution to the OS community. It was no problem getting a book over here to Sweden. Eiwor and me will facilitate an OST-training (Genuine Contact 1)next week and this will be a great resource for ourselves as well as our co

self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Jeff-- Thanks for the further depth. Very interesting stuff. It throws another light on our search for "peace." A side question: I have seen this before, and now in your message: What does it mean to write "G-d"? :-Doug. Germann * *

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread WB-TrainConsult
Doug and all of you shalom thank you Bernhard On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:17:54 -0500, Douglas D. Germann, Sr. wrote: >Bernhard-- > >I remember reading one time that peace (shalom, I think) in the >ancient >Hebrew language connoted not just lack of violence but wholeness, >fruitfulness, abundance. So

Re: ta da! the non-guide is illustrated!

2002-01-29 Thread Esther .
In a message dated 29/01/2002 16:04:56 Eastern Standard Time, mher...@globalchicago.net writes: > http://www.globalchicago.net/ost/ost_nonguide.pdf. > The guide was amazing but the pictures are incredible. Thank you thank you thank you, breathe.. (A sigh of gratitude...) Esther Ewing Author

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Laurel and Rick
How beautifully put, Florian. From a spiritual perspective, one might argue that putting value judgements on war as "bad" and peace as "good" is very much within our very limited human ability to understand the great processes in the universe. If one believes, as I do, that we choose our human

ta da! the non-guide is illustrated!

2002-01-29 Thread Michael Herman
hello everybody, after some minor corrections and the addition of a number of very cool drawings by reinhard (visuelle protokolle), the final version of the non-guide is done and ready for you to come to the center of the circle and get yourselves an e-copy of it. the 'books' are piled at this ad

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread WB-TrainConsult
Chris, you wrote: >Before we go on, I'm not sure if anyone is exactly saying that Open >Space is a >self-organizing system. At least I don;t understand it that way. >What I do >understand to be the relationship between Open Space and self- >organization is >that OS works because it works in harmo

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Jeff Aitken
At 10:17 AM -0500 1/29/02, Douglas D. Germann, Sr. wrote: >I remember reading one time that peace (shalom, I think) in the ancient >Hebrew language connoted not just lack of violence but wholeness, >fruitfulness, abundance. So that when one greeted another wishing them >peace, it meant "I wish you

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread florian fischer
Birgitt Williams schrieb: > > -"if Open Space is a self organizing system, > why don't we have world peace? > > > -"if Open Space is a self organizing system, > why are so many of us on the list working > as consultants who facilitate Open Space Technology meetings > and thereby interfer

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Ann Thompson
DittoThat is the spark of life as I see it. Thanks, Doug Ann On Tue, 29 January 2002, "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." wrote: > > Harrison-- > > << And I suspect that when we get there the journey will be over. > > Could it be that when we get there, the journey will just be starting? > > Could it

self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Bernhard-- I remember reading one time that peace (shalom, I think) in the ancient Hebrew language connoted not just lack of violence but wholeness, fruitfulness, abundance. So that when one greeted another wishing them peace, it meant "I wish you have fullness of all things good and fruitful."

self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Harrison-- << And I suspect that when we get there the journey will be over. Could it be that when we get there, the journey will just be starting? Could it be that we only see dim outlines now, and then we will see a wider panorama opening for us? But wherever we head from there, and wherever

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Institut für systemische Kommunikation
Dear Birgitt and dear colleagues, when I read your questions following pictures and thoughts comes into my mind this morning. I want share this with you. We are in a universe ongoing learning process. Its a process of uncountable grief circles moving in the middle of individuals and between singl

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Edward Rowland
Well, as usual, I think Birgitt is asking very good questions. We get into terrible difficulty if we talk about human interaction as a system. As she implies, if organisations are like self-organising systems (in other than very superficial ways), then they must always have evolved through self-org

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Sullivan, Tim J. MCF:EX
Hi Birgitt, Wow, what a great question. And the answers that have come forth are very illuminating, I hope to you as well. For a great and illuminating perspective on the implications of your question (another form of that question is: If God is so good how come there is badness, or evil, or how

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread WB-TrainConsult
Birgitt, thank you for going directly to the grounds. 1) your questions reminds me of the old question: IF the market is the best mechanism for allocation of goods and services and does not need any interference, THEN why do we have poverty in the world. 2) i think, this way of putting "IF

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Chris Corrigan
Hi Birgitt: Birgitt Williams wrote: > Dear friends and colleagues, > > I don't know if I can encourage this to make it to the FAQ... Well, they aren't very frequently asked questions yet! ;-) > ...however, if we > are telling the world that Open Space is a self organizing system, we > shou

Re: as the madness continues

2002-01-29 Thread Harrison Owen
KEnoli wrote: > Harrison -- Did you get to any of the peace demonstrations? It sounds like a growing and maturing peace movement is developing in Isreal. One event actually made it into the local mainstream paper here. There are many people here who would love to contribute to that movement with

Re: self organizing systems and world peace

2002-01-29 Thread Harrison Owen
Birgitt wrote: "if Open Space is a self organizing system, why don't we have world peace? " "if Open Space is a self organizing system, why are so many of us on the list working as consultants who facilitate Open Space Technology meetings and thereby interfere in a self organizing system?" Interes

speaking 'truth'/creating language

2002-01-29 Thread michael dobbie
So often it's only when we're finally up against the wall that we say what should have been said long ago. Seems like increasing numbers over there in Israel/Palestine are finally doing this amongst themselves, attempting to say what they most fear to say, to speak 'truth', put words together t