Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Michael, Artur-- Because I was generalizing, I seem to have given the impression that I would intervene to get the results I wanted. Usually, the dynamic is more like re-opening space in myself to accept that where the group is going is not what I expected--but it is what is needed. And sometime

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Dear Joelle, this is exciting stuff stirred up by you and others and the fellow from the extreme western part of Europe! In my short life as an "open space-facilitator" after some 30+ years of doing all kinds of facilitation, including trying to get a hold of "the place where we needed to be", I ha

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Dear Artur, the text you quote is contained as a quote in ho's book "The Practice of Peace" (pages 74 through 80, followed by "A Participant's Reaction", pages 80 and 81). Commenting on this particular open space, ho then writes on page 82 "At no point during our time together did I intervene in an

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
Dear Joelle (and Michael P): At 15:28 26-06-2003 -0400, Joelle Lyons Everett wrote: In my 20+ years working as a facilitator (in Open Space and other forms), there have been a number of times when I have realized, on the last morning of a meeting, that where I thought we would go was not the pl

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Judi Richardson
Hi Tim -- this is great -- thanks for sharing! I gave a workshop on Open Space Technology on Wednesday night of the Shambhala Institute. Gave one last year too and was astounded at the number of people who attended a two hour workshop and went back and started using it in their organizations. Thi

Re: Pattern Languages

2003-06-26 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
At 19:23 25-06-2003 -0500, Michael Herman wrote: hi all... anybody here on the list done any thinking about how ost syncs up with the work on pattern languages and the nature of order by chris alexander and the agile/xp software development crowd? seems to directly parallel complexity and ost w

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Harrison Owen
At 10:35 PM 6/26/2003 +0100, Artur wrote: The group in Rome was doing difficult and painful work--maybe far more painful than they had anticipated. So Harrison's intervention, asking them to choose again whether they wished to continue this difficult work, felt appropriate to me. To me too. I

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
Dear Michael (Berlin) At 10:24 26-06-2003 +0200, Pannwitz, Michael M wrote: which rule of os did ho break, cleverly? Thank you very much for your question. This is only one opinion and HO will correct me if he wants to - or any one of you, for that matter. I don't know exactly what was planne

Re: Pattern Languages

2003-06-26 Thread Birgitt Williams
Michael, the article you wrote in your notebook at http://www.globalchicago.net. regarding Christopher Alexander 's work and complexity and our understanding of it in OST is exceptionally good. Well done and thank you! in the earlier days of the list, some of us participated in a discussion of Ch

Re: Pattern Languages

2003-06-26 Thread BJ Peters
Michael-- I read your article and followed some of the links to original sources. I found myself on the verge of, yet not grasping, much of the original source material. So I skimmed with something other than my mind at the helm. What came up for me was this: perhaps Alexander's work was at the no

Res: Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Lucy Ge�o
joelle, even I am not really inside the subjects discussed at that rome meeting, I need to say you that the sentence you wrote here - "where I thought we would go was not the place where we needed to be, and I had to decide how to create a space for what was needed" was present a lot of times du

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 6/26/03 12:01:02 PM, artsi...@mail.eunet.pt writes: << Polanyi once wrote (defining tacit knowledge) that "we know more that we can say". On myself and on the others I use to compare what one says and what one does (how one walks the talk). And I always think that what one do

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Toke Paludan Møller
Hi all rapping open spacers and to Tim the student of rap and open doors to many more spaces... It works it raps it touches the corners it swings and rocks and speaks of new spaces to open to learn to be and rap some more thanks for the newness and courage of this, tim - toke torsdag 26. j

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 6/26/03 5:41:19 AM, owe...@mindspring.com writes: << Wonderful! Must become a part of the permenant record. Maybe now we will have a Rap contest in addition to the Poetry Contest? >> Or maybe the next contest will be poems and rap? Stay tuned . . . Joelle * * ==

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Erich Kolenaty
Great stuff Erich - Original Message - From: Tim Merry - Engage! To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Open Space Rap Dear OS Listers Recently at Shamabhala Institute in Canada, Nova Scotia, I wrote a rap to introduce open space.

SV: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Thomas Herrmann
Thanks for sharing, Tim! I think your OS-rap is really great. Have you used it for an opening?? I wonder what that would do and how it would look (also in the faces of participants, especially if not expecting it to happen! Talking about mind-blasters...) Well, it´s time to get on paining the house

AW: Pattern Languages

2003-06-26 Thread Visuelle Protokolle
hi Michael and all, what a surprise, and a double one! Not only was Christopher Alexanders' work one of the most important influences for my previous work as an architect and facility programmer (and I translated big parts of 'A Pattern Language' into German) - and I used his patterns for my work

Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Tim Merry - Engage!
Dear OS Listers Recently at Shamabhala Institute in Canada, Nova Scotia, I wrote a rap to introduce open space. Toke Moller and Marianne Knuth invited me into their module on convening conversations and the art of hosting to offer it to thier group. It was well recieved and has given me the i

Re: questions on OS's form

2003-06-26 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Yes, indeed Raffi, its simple but not easy, as keeps being pointed out so its grand to be on this journey with you and the whole community hugs see you in Berlin and Denmark mmp On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:34:44 +0400, Raffi Aftandelian wrote: >Dear listers, >I want to thank those who responded to my

Re: questions on OS's form

2003-06-26 Thread Raffi Aftandelian
Dear listers, I want to thank those who responded to my email a few days back. The offline responses really helped me get more clarity on OS. Bit by bit OS becomes more accessible to me... So simple, yet so complicated... * * == osl...@lists

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Dear Artur, which rule of os did ho break, cleverly? greetings from Berlin mmp On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:44:26 +0100, Artur Ferreira da Silva wrote: > >Let me add two other comments on the Rome event that I have not made one >year ago. For sure , >and as you and Avner have pointed out, there was the

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread BJ Peters
Wow! Tim-- This is wonderfully creative and fun. Thanks for sharing. BJ Peters Tim Merry - Engage! wrote: Dear OS Listers   Recently at Shamabhala Institute in Canada, Nova Scotia, I wrote a rap to introduce open space.   Toke Moller and Marianne Knuth invited me i

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Harrison Owen
At 11:58 AM 6/26/2003 +0200, Tim wrote: Dear OS Listers Recently at Shamabhala Institute in Canada, Nova Scotia, I wrote a rap to introduce open space. Toke Moller and Marianne Knuth invited me into their module on convening conversations and the art of hosting to offer it to thier group. It w

Re: Open Space Rap

2003-06-26 Thread Winston Kinch
Hey Merry no crap dat is some kinda rap! It cover the bases with aces so de kings an queens can get what it means to open some space for de race of human beens! Winston * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Averbuch
Ted, Birgitt, Harrison and all It is late, I am dead tired' and I do not trust my English in times like this but I feel compelled to write, at least some "news": In terms of direct traceable results that I am aware of (I was a participant in Rome) there are quit a few . some of them are not storie

Re: first message

2003-06-26 Thread Averbuch
Artur, Lucy and Florian Hugs to you all Thank you for the translations and for trying to describe--- sound. I didn't know how difficult it can be! the reason that I asked is that it looked to me very close to the word "brachot (or "brachos") (is it? ) that in Hebrew mean "blessings" and it is the w

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Tova-- Thanks for taking the time to share some of the results from the conference in Rome which you know personally and are able to share. The news which comes in our newspapers and on our television screens, here in America, is all about war and terrorism and the inability to disagree. But it

Re: Rome was one year ago - any news?

2003-06-26 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
Tova: At 01:36 26-06-2003 +0200, Averbuch wrote: It is late, I am dead tired' and I do not trust my English in times like this but I feel compelled to write, at least some "news" (...) Thanks for the news. My conclusion: in spite of bad conditions created by radicals in both sides (one of the

Re: first message

2003-06-26 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
Dear Tova: At 01:36 26-06-2003 +0200, Averbuch wrote: the reason that I asked is that it looked to me very close to the word "brachot (or "brachos") (is it? ) that in Hebrew mean "blessings" and it is the way I conclude my letters many times so "Bracot" Yes, the sound is close. My Dicctionary