Re: a question

2004-07-18 Thread Raffi Aftandelian
This is something, Joelle, I have been meaning to ask about. I am curious, do people feel OST is not a format where lectures and trainings can be delivered effectively? I'd be curious to hear about other people's experiences. Might it be possible to set boundaries around the sessions? To say:

point of non-intervention

2004-07-18 Thread Raffi Aftandelian
Thanks to the folks who congratulated me for my "first time." Yes, Harrison, it indeed is going from bad to worse. And I only have myself to blame! Oh well. Here I am with another question: When I attended the OS facilitator training with Birgitt, we were asked to frame for ourselves what we und

Re: Is there a need to hold space for people to ask the question, "what'

2004-07-18 Thread Artur Silva
Doug: --- "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066@compuserve.com> wrote: > > It is becoming clearer to me that we are on a path > of evolution, and that > the next steps are to consciously evolve the species > called humankind, and > in my view, toward what is good, life-enhancing, > beauty. Evolut

Re: a first time

2004-07-18 Thread Artur Silva
--- everett...@aol.com wrote: >> > I think the fish metaphor has moved to a third > level. e.g.: > > Give a person a fish, they eat for that day. > > Teach a person to fish, they eat for the all their > lives. > > Turn a person on about fishing, they invent new ways > to fish. > Very interesting

facilitator role in OST

2004-07-18 Thread Funda Oral
Referring to some discussions that are going on here, I really think that what we can do in OST depends very much on the group dynamics..for exemple in Turkey I am already very happy when people share and discuss openely...so I don't feel like I have to teach anything. But when I think facilitato

Re: facilitator role in OST

2004-07-18 Thread Harrison Owen
Funda -- I think you are working too hard. For myself I find that once the space is opened and the people are at work there is neither the need nor (often) the opportunity to ask a lot of questions, listen to answers or to face the reactions. If you take all that on yourself, for sure you will b

An explicit invitation to live in OS beyond OST

2004-07-18 Thread Zelle Nelson
Doug, Wow. Yes, I agree let's keep inviting, keep opening more space. My invitation... "what is our shared vision? what do we need to stop doing to make space for what we want to start doing? how do we honor what we will stop doing? and, how do we walk forward and create our future

Re: a first time

2004-07-18 Thread EVERETT813
In a message dated 7/17/04 4:38:24 AM, hho...@comcast.net writes: > Talk about win/win, to say nothing of > teaching people to fish rather than just giving them some well prepared > fillet of sole. > Harrison, et. al. I think the fish metaphor has moved to a third level. e.g.: Give a person