Re: Survival of the Cooperative

2005-02-09 Thread Jack Ricchiuto
Reflecting the way ecologists today are starting to redefine "fitness", author Robert Ulanowicz defines fitness as “the ability of a species to play a role in the web of ecological processes.” Jack ~~ jack ricchiuto two.one.six/three.seven.three/seven.four.seven.five www.designinglife.c

Re: Survival of the Cooperative

2005-02-09 Thread Harrison Owen
I could never find a place where Darwin talked about "survival of the fittest" -- so I am delighted to know that my myopia (as bad as it is) is not the problem. I suspect we got "survival of the fittest" out of the witch's brew of "social Darwinism" Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive P

Re: The Question

2005-02-09 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 2/9/05 3:35:08 AM, hho...@comcast.net writes: > Anyhow Julius worshiped at the altar of serendipity. And he drove > the bureaucrats crazy -- because he just refused to be programmed. However, > the quality of his science was such that they really couldn't stand in his > way, e

Re: Survival of the Cooperative

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Gawron
Hello Don and all, There is an interesting book by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi which supports that concept of survival of ideas in a Darwinian context. The book is called "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience", ISBN 0-06-016253-8 In brief, a "flow" experience is akin to reading a book you cann

Re: Open Space & Anti-Americanism (longish)

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Gawron
Hello Masud and all, Let us agree to disagree in friendship and respect. It was interesting to me that you cited Alfred Sloan, since he considered to be one of the "military industrialists" that President Eisenhower warned the U.S. about. Collins and Poras in their book "Built to Last" compare S

Re: OSLIST Digest - 6 Feb 2005 to 7 Feb 2005 (#2005-36)

2005-02-09 Thread David Smith
Harrison, your essay on The Question is eloquent and raises many, many thoughts. The importance of the question - reflections from a former scientist... When I was doing research in zoology, our seminar program was a central feature of how our department functioned. And the essence of the semina

Survival of the Cooperative

2005-02-09 Thread Don Ferretti
I can give you a lot of detail to back this up but I will not take up air time here to do that. I just wanted to say that I know for a fact that the "survival of the fittest" mantra was not even spoken by Darwin. But, his whole body of work seems to have been boiled down to that idea. I have my the

violence

2005-02-09 Thread Carol Daniel Kasbari
Greetings all, I was wondering if anyone has worked with the issue of violence, non violence resistance or similar. I am trying to assist some Palestinian NGO's and civil society organizations in this matter. It is a very sensitive issue that requires great delicacy when dealing with it since i

Re: Open Space & Anti-Americanism

2005-02-09 Thread Masud Sheikh
Steve, thank for your email. We may need to agree to disagree soon. Many decades ago, Alfred Sloan (iconic CEO of GM) said "What is good for General Motors is good for America". Similarly, the present U.S. administration seems to believe that what is good for corporations and the rich, is good for

Re: Word from a US soldier

2005-02-09 Thread Henri Lipmanowicz
Shay, In the end, for better or worse, no one can control the outcome. The US certainly did not achieve so far the outcome it hoped for. There will be plenty more surprises in the future. Henri -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Seamus Mc

Re: The Question

2005-02-09 Thread Jim Metcalf
Paul, Your comments reminded me of books by John W. Gardner, founder of Common Cause and Medicare. One is ON LEADERSHIP. The other is SELF-RENEWAL: THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE INNOVATIVE SOCIETY. I believe that it is in the latter book that he proposes the idea that the job of the leader is to support

Re: Open Space & Anti-Americanism

2005-02-09 Thread Mike Copeland
G'day Steve This conversation has piqued my interest. One general rule I live by is not to enter into discussions on politics. As an outsider, one who is not an American but who has lived there for a number of years, I think America is on a hiding to nothing on this one; damned if you do damned if

Re: Open Space & Anti-Americanism

2005-02-09 Thread Jack Ricchiuto
Cheryl, thanks much for this wonderful story; it inspires. It brings to mind that in any violence-torn or politically divided society or region, there are people who spiritually live along a continuum from peaceful to suffering. Where the suffering is severe enough, the suffering closes the spac

Re: The Question

2005-02-09 Thread Harrison Owen
Dave -- Thanks for the stories. I would love to have met your Dr. Randall. Sounds pretty much like Bentley Glass and a number of other top scientists I have known. And yes, the sad fate of research in Oz is pretty much paralleled by a similar fate here in the US. Thirty years ago when I was at our

Re: Open Space & Anti-Americanism

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Cochran
Thank you, Masud, and "hear, hear"! I wish I could express myself as well and as succinctly as you have done. - Original Message - From: "Masud Sheikh" To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space & Anti-Americanism Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:39:49 -0500 > > Steve, th