Re: [OSList] Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Harold Shinsato
Dear Owen, Thanks for making me laugh with some of your insights, especially about perhaps looking around for another company if the session is short. Being genetically half-Japanese, I'm a little familiar with the Japanese-Engineer effect. It has something to do with politeness and respect for

open space-time

2008-01-14 Thread Arno Baltin
Hi everyone! This discussion of different time schedules in OS is most intriguing. It is so often that client wants to get everything and more in shortest time period. And this is probably where the need to hurry up comes from. Could we just introduce different types of OS - fast, normal and s

Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Koos de Heer
Dear Harold, I can resonate with your agony. I have held a few Open Space conferences for IT people (up to 200) and I have had the same worries. But believe me, even the toughest nerds are able to function fine in Open Space. Be prepared to sit on your hands for a number of seconds. They may

SV: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Lise Damkjær
Hallo Harold, As an engineer and open space-freak I have to answer your beautiful challenge! I do understand your questions, but calm down, I'm sure the engineers will surprise you (and probably themselves aswell)! The theme should at least engage yourself - and be a question, that you and your co

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Koos de Heer
Dear Peggy, dear Tova, Tree and all the others who have shared their wisdom about time keeping: This time keeping thing is a frequent topic over here. In an OS meeting, it often happens that someone comes up to me and tells me it is time to tell the time. People in the Netherlands are very fon

SV: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Thomas Herrmann
Dear friends in Open Space I’m in the middle of a 3 day OS training with 16 participants and we’ve discussed similair things at times during this first day. Such as “does the facilitator have to tell people that they may help themselves with coffee and tea” although it is just in the face of them,

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread TYASTO
Dear Peggy, Michael, Elena and others! I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part of the world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the Siberian Academy for Public Administration (SAPA). It's

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Mickey Averbuch
for me it was letting go of the notion that there is "a way to do it right". I started by being very puritan"by the book" and I am very glad I did. it helped me a lot in stating to live open space in my daily life and uncovering what open space is. Being the one to bring the use of OST to I

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Brian S Bainbridge
Dear Peggy I guess I am lazy. I really have never used any form of time-keeping or time-crying. Even in short events, I reckon if people are so wrapped up in the topic they have started and are pursuing, then "whatever happens..." in a self-organizing fashion is how I have always seen things. Wh

Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Harrison Owen
Harold -- It is not about trusting the process for after all Open Space has been "done" well over 100,000 times in 134 countries -- and it always seems to work. It is really about trusting the people. And if the 150 employees of your company are anything more than marginally competent, committed an

Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Harrison Owen
Harold -- Welcome! Invitation: Short, sweet, and open. For a theme -- maybe something like "Issues and Opportunities for Building Our Business." Presuming they (your engineers) care about the business, that should get them started. Don't try and explain Open Space. Folks wouldn't believe you anyh

Re: [OSList] Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Harold Shinsato
Dear Owen, Thank you, it's such an honor to get a reply directly from you. I think my issue is faith in myself and in the process. I've read the book (some chapters more than once). I think maybe I just needed to hear it again in a different way to help me "get" it. I appreciate the encouragem

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Tree Fitzpatrick
Greetings to all. Before I respond to Peggy's 'town crier' post, I pause to remind all who might be reading that when I share my opinion, I am not putting down others' comments. Sometimes when I have commented on this list (and others) people seem to hear me putting down others' ideas when I am sim

Bells, town criers, climate

2008-01-14 Thread Ralph Copleman
Peg, Jeff, and all, My response to a participant who wants me to ring the bell after lunch might have been to suggest to him that he was perfectly free to remind people about the time, if he chose to. I agree that it's not a role I personally want to take on. Gabriella, old friend, Cong

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Harrison Owen
Ringing Bells for sessions. I guess I can understand why you might be tempted in a short Open Space with short sessions, but even then my feeling is that is a temptation to be resisted. Part of this is the whole question of participants really taking responsibility for what they care about - in

[OSList] Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers

2008-01-14 Thread Harold Shinsato
Dear Open Spacetronauts, This is my first post to the list after an excellent training in San Francisco in OS Facilitation from Lisa Heft. With a one day OS coming up that I'll be facilitating in February, I'm a little daunted by the process of building the invitation and the theme and I have a f

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Diane Gibeault
Interesting example of how we show up, even in small things, communicates big time values and believes. Even a Town crier to me is the continuation of the "culture of dependency " Open Space is wanting us and helping us get away from. It's nourishing the old mental model that the participants

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Elena Marchuk
Hi Michael, thank you for the idea, I love it and will think, how to do it on my time/place schedule and wonder, what do you mean by cardboard arrow? is it magnetic? as usually I have just space near the blackboard, which I use to be free for posters, and it is just for one flip-chart paper and

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Elena Marchuk
Dear Peggy, I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let participants to work as they care, but most OSs I provide are very limited in time, and several time I missed the time by chance (though not much...) I could see, that people are just seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the tim

Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier

2008-01-14 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Elena, oh, this arrow is very hightech, of course. It is made of 160g red heavy paper, cut with a scissor. It is attached to the schedule either with a pin in case the surface permits that or with a short piece of adhesive tape rolled together and stuck to the backside (a chewing gum might