Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Artur Silva
Peggy (also Birgitt, Harrison and all): Bertalanffy spoke about "General Systems Theory" - the tytle of his most known book - where he talked mostly about "Open Systems". I never heard that he used the expression "Open Systems Theory", and he never used, as far as I know, acronyms - so he never us

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Bernhard Weber
Hi Artur Interesting indeed. Though my first emotional reaction was: being embarrassed (because they have "stolen" the OST Acronym;-) Bernardo Bernd Weber > Change Facilitation s.r.o., A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in > Complex Environments; www.change-facilitation.com, > www.change-

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Harrison Owen
I love it! Confusion!! Reminds me of days long ago when I had a newsletter called "TWG Newsletter" In fact the letters stood for absolutely nothing at all - leading my friend Peter Vaill to muse that since they didn't mean anything in particular, everybody was free to supply their own meanings. His

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking - a small correction

2011-12-13 Thread Artur Silva
From: Artur Silva To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking (...)   PS: Another curiosity is that if one searches in Google for "Open Systems Institute" the f

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Birgitt Williams
Dear Artur, I have some confusion about what you are saying about copyrighting. All books pertaining to OST including the User’s Guide, which defines OST, are copyrighted. All of Harrison’s teaching powerpoints about OST are copyrighted. I personally think this copyrighting was essential. Copyr

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Birgitt Williams
Dear Harrison, A different perspective, in this case mine, is that we really honor Open Space Technology as an important meeting facilitation method, and that we are good stewards for its integrity (wholeness). This would mean that we preserve it in its original form for generations to come for th

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Harrison Owen
Far be it for me to pay less than full honor to Open Space and still less, to pay less than profound homage to all the good friends and colleagues who have journeyed along the way. But at the end of the day, I find myself in full agreement with friend Chris Corrigan who aptly described Open Space a

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Michael Herman
i think the training wheels image is itself a half-way sort of thing. yes, ost is sort of training wheels in the first or maybe even few times used. but probably enough as just a one time use. as soon as a client or group i'm with has that first taste of the movement, my thinking and working with

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Harrison Owen
Ah Michael, you old 'cyclist you! I surely get the picture, understand the drift, but my perspective may be a little different. As the father of 5 and grandfather of 6 (last one still too small to ride.yet) I know something of training wheels and holding on to the back of the seat. First for t

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Michael Herman
definitely i forgot that bit about stopping, harrison.not sure what the open space analog is, except that all the old ways of moving don't go away. policies and procedures and i suppose hitting those after a few days in open space can be as much of a trick as stopping the bike. forgot, too, t

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread frankelmichele
There are new ways of learning to ride a bike. None of Harrison's way worked for my boy. He gave up aged 4. The right time for him. Was aged 8. He just decided to try again, one random day. When I was called to come and have a Look after 30 minutes practise. I was expecting Dad to be pushing

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Skye Hirst
My training wheels were put on one day when I started riding the two wheeler and I never knew when my brother lifted the little wheels off the ground and I rode without support. Amazing what learning takes place so easily in this livinghoodness. On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Owen

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Harrison Owen
Love it! But I think we got that one covered. "Whenever it starts is the right time." Closely followed by, "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have." Ride On Baby! Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr. Potomac, MD 20854 USA 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) Camden, Maine 20854 Phone

[OSList] Individual and collective master (was: OST - Open Systems Thinking)

2011-12-13 Thread Bernhard Weber
Harrison and all I like the recently upcoming discussion about the history of Systems Thinking, but I would also like to make a big jump from this. I am not shure, but to me it seems to not be by pure "accident". 1. Recently Stanley park wrote "Now is the territory of Peace- Nirvana" 2. And s

Re: [OSList] Individual and collective master (was: OST - Open Systems Thinking)

2011-12-13 Thread Stanley Park
Bernhard, I totally agree with your perspective. Every human being is on a journey in search of meaning that meets heart. For me OS is a tool that has beening taking me to that journey most Masterfully. So, OS is nothing but a Master toward my own productivity toward true sociospiritual fulfillm