Re: [OSList] SA1 Re: Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Tim Lam
Thanks all for your valuable comments.   It is undeniable that futher discussions need to be held with the TM group to create a theme that sparks the passion of both groups involved.   I was also concerned very much about what Koos mentioned "Outlining the differences at the start of the meeting

Re: [OSList] Individual and collective master (was: OST - Open Systems Thinking)

2012-01-01 Thread Stanley Park
Dear friends, When we open our space as our natural state of being, a sacred universe seems to unfold in each of us as a universe of undivisive whole. And it is there (Here & Now) where Nirvana-Enternal Peace-Natural State of Being Love Itself. That's what happens to me at least. love from seou

Re: [OSList] Individual and collective master (was: OST - OpenSystems Thinking)

2012-01-01 Thread Peggy Holman
This wonderful discussion evokes a practical example for me. It comes from the years of Spirited Work, a community of practice that met 4 times a year in Open Space, using one of Angeles Arrien's archetypes as the theme each quarter. (Winter - season of the warrior, Spring - the healer, Summer

Re: [OSList] SA1 Re: Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Jane Lewis
Tim, Juicy question for me: > my original question: how a balance can be made between the 'chaos' of OS > and the 'rigidity' of TM? > > Maybe there is none... I say that because it makes me laugh, or amuses me. My mind doesn't comprehend, so I want to articulate what I heard (that you didn't

Re: [OSList] [SPAM] SA1 Re: Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Tim Lam
Annamarie,   Thank You!  Your words have reinforced my thoughts and queries.  And of course I didn't mean for anyone to become rankled (thanks again, this is a new word  for me!) or hijacked!   I am very much a supporter of TM myself, as I know the process is suited, and does work for many.   To

Re: [OSList] [SPAM] SA1 Re: Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Annamrie, happy New Year! No, Os is not about communication nor about finding common ground nor about envisioning a new direction for a difficult whatsoever. It is simply about expanding time and space for the forces of selforganisation to do their stuff. The things you and I and others SEE

Re: [OSList] [SPAM] SA1 Re: Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Annamarie Pluhar
HI Tim, I'm a TMer who helped found a club five years ago and I absolutely LOVE OS. I'm sorry. I think you are mixing modalities that don't belong mixed. For a way over the top analogy it's a bit like asking a synagogue to host a Eucharist. Toastmasters and OS have completely different goa

Re: [OSList] Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Pixley
Tim, Thanks for the mention and it was fun working with your project management club in October. I have not used OST in a regular meeting, but have used it for a TM regional planning meeting. It was probably about 12 years ago in Taiwan and the District Public Relations officer decided to have

Re: [OSList] Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster

2012-01-01 Thread Koos de Heer
Dear Tim, Interesting combination. I am an active member of Utrecht Toastmasters and an experienced Open Space facilitator. The two are very different but at the same time there are striking similarities. E.g. the fact that both provide a safe garden in which many different topics can blossom.