Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Rosa Zubizarreta
Ok, plunging in here... deep waters! One thing I'm noticing, is how words "sound" different, within different communities... some of the posts above, seem to assume that "authorization" is about the "standard" world view... and sometimes, some parts of me resonate with that... it's a word that in

Re: [OSList] Open Space and adults with a disability

2014-03-31 Thread R Chaffe
Patricia I use Open Space regularly with adults with a disability. Remember who ever comes is the right people, my challenge is to ensure I find their ability and not be distracted. These are people who have passions and are willing to take responsibility for their lives and their environmen

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Harold Shinsato
Dan, Peggy, Michael, David, Kári, Paul, Such a rich topic. I don't think Dan is "barking up the wrong tree at all". Perhaps this is just my own experience, sensitivity, and upbringing - but I deeply resonate with the changing sense of authorization that happens in a good Open Space conference

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Harrison Owen
Michael -- you REALLY DID IT! Marvelous. And I just loved your thoughts... "For some reason, I often cringe seeing the complex and intricate endeavors to fathom, understand, get our hands on... the stuff that we are, I think, not equipped to comprehend... still, wouldn't it be wonderful to get ther

Re: [OSList] Skye Words too limited

2014-03-31 Thread Harrison Owen
For a lady without words... you really did good! And I admit, as I think you would as well. Words never quite do it. So what else is new? Thank you. ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr. Potomac, MD 20854 USA 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) Camden, Maine 04843 Phone 301-365-2093 (s

[OSList] OS Hotline invite - Tuesday, April 1st 12 PM Eastern!

2014-03-31 Thread Tricia Chirumbole
It's no joke, the Open Space Hotline is coming up tomorrow, *Tuesday, April 1st - 12 PM Eastern!* The OS list is hot and the OSers are even hotter :) You are all warmly invited to come with whatever is up for you at the moment - projects, thoughts, questions, curiosity, or April Fools' jokes that

[OSList] Skye Words too limited

2014-03-31 Thread Skye Hirst
OS is an intrinsic experience comprised of infinite of infinite relational "fields," let's say, using the words as kind of metaphor-like pointers. Remember that old TV commercial - for this and that is MC but for the intrinsic experience - it's priceless, I'll say intrinsic experience is wordle

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Dan, my beans tell me that selforganisation is that force which has brought about everything since the Big Bang, the same force that is active in man made systems... or in less structured groups or events, where it surprises us more (which is strange since those less structured groups or e

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Daniel Mezick
Peggy, Thanks for your reply. You hit all my favorite notes hereand now you got me going. I'm being triggered! I'm spilling my beans... I currently believe that self-organization is actually the high-frequency, dynamic sending and receiving of data about informal authorization, by and b

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Daniel Mezick
Harrison, thanks for your reply and your perceptions. I'm starting to believe English is woefully lacking with respect to describing Open Space dynamics, with any kind of clarity. On 3/31/14 10:51 AM, Harrison Owen wrote: Dan -- I think I see the source of your dilemma (stuckness). "Equivale

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Harrison Owen
Dan - I think I see the source of your dilemma (stuckness). "Equivalence of authorization" (or non-equivalence) is a valid consideration in the traditional organization, characterized by pre-determined hierarchy, authority, control, and all the rest. The situation in Open Space is of a radically di

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Peggy Holman
Dan, You ask great questions! My take: like most of life, authorization is more nuanced than your statement below. Like you, I believe everyone has 100% equivalent authorization AND they also carry the imprinting of habits, context, self-talk, existing relationships, and more that influence

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Daniel Mezick
This is very helpful for helping me understand your thinking. Thanks for sending the rich detail and disclosure. I am stuck. I continue to hold the belief that (quoting myself here...) "Everyone...Sponsor included, has 100% equivalent authorization (100% equivalent "right to do work" in the Op

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Authority

2014-03-31 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Dan, as mostly, there is none or very little detailed thinking behind me expressing the idea, that authority does not disappear just because an os-event is taking place, and there is no levelling of authority, which I assume you meant, when using the expression "equal standing". This is

Re: [OSList] Opening Space for Developmentally challenged adults

2014-03-31 Thread Dr. Christian Kemper
Dear Patricia, an open space just for (devellopmentally) challenged people i didn't opened so far. But i opened space several times for groups in which (devellopmentally) challenged people took part, for example for the german association "Bundesvereinigung Lebenshilfe" - the main organization