Re: Self Organization, Michael, Artur, Joelle thread

2001-12-09 Thread J. Paul Everett
I sent this earlier today, about six hours ago, and it hasn't appeared as yet so I suspect it has gotten "lost" in cyberspace. So, am sending it again. If the original shows up, pardon me. Paul In a message dated 12/9/01 7:17:28 AM, mmpa...@snafu.de writes: << >I would agree with you on that,

Re: Experience with geeks in OST forums

2001-12-17 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 12/16/01 5:12:44 PM, alan.stew...@senet.com.au writes: << This request stems from an approach to me from a person commissioned to promote better communication among IT people in a large corporation and their customers. Anyone have experience in working with "geeks/nerds" ie

Re: Concerns and Tactics

2001-12-20 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 12/18/01 9:40:06 AM, ken...@igc.org writes: << I would love to hear from you regarding these questions. In (a new version of) "solidarity" (can we avoid polarization this time?), >> My Dear Kenoli, Before I reply to the substance of your message, I wish to check out your mean

Re: Concerns and Tactics

2001-12-23 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 12/23/01 1:36:24 PM, avn...@inter.net.il writes: << So what happens Peggy if one like you (who beleives in dialogue with oponents) is dependent with his life on one like Paul (Who does not beleive in dialogue between people who disagree) and you deeply disagree on many levels

Re: Concerns and Tactics

2001-12-28 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 12/24/01 6:32:31 AM, z...@cwo.com writes: << In Aikido you neither die for peace nor allow the other to dominate. Your violence does not motivate a similar or a passive response from me. I understand that you see violence as your only action, I restrain you gently and firml

Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-30 Thread J. Paul Everett
dded in it. :) Sincerely, J. Paul Everett, Consultant World Class Performance jpesee...@aol.com * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.bois

Re: Request Feedback on an OS Theme for a Conference on Fatherhood

2001-09-06 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/6/01 3:32:55 PM, jr.schu...@home.com writes: << “Men in Transformation: Creating the next generation of Fathers” … issues and opportunities >> Dear Richard, Being a father of four sons, and feeling as if I did only a mediocre job of it, I applaud the effort. My only c

Re: Working over a theme with a group on a conference call

2001-09-06 Thread J. Paul Everett
Hey, Chris, no fair. Here you were grabbing my gut without telling me the theme. Can you share what the Inuit came up with?? Paul Everett * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, chang

Re: Working over a theme with a group on a conference call

2001-09-07 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/6/01 9:48:16 PM, cor...@interchange.ubc.ca writes: << The whole notion of giving voice to the real concers of Aboriginal youth rather than feedback on a government strategy is what drew people in by their guts. >> Damn fine!! Let us know how it comes out!! I think the one

Tragedy has deep antecedents---are we going to learn?

2001-09-12 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/12/01 12:26:15 AM, on.the.e...@sympatico.ca writes: << Today, I am jolted into reflecting on the ways I have contributed to terror. Small looks, feelings, actions, angry outbursts, and rejections. I am moved to see my pain, from which they arose, and the cost for humanity. >

Re: Space Invaders?

2001-09-16 Thread J. Paul Everett
John, Brilliant and wonderful piece of writing. No space for those space invaders with hate in their heart. Right on!! Paul Everett * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change you

Andrea of Melbourne, re: Time

2001-09-16 Thread J. Paul Everett
Andrea, Noon (1200 hours) Greenwich Mean Time (London) is 7:00 AM (0700 hours), New York Time (Eastern Time) which is also 10:00 PM (2200 hours), Melbourne time, and 4:00 AM (0400 hours) Seattle time where I am. However, there is the question of daylight savings time. We are on that in the Unite

Re: Space Invaders? by Julie

2001-09-16 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/15/01 12:24:52 PM, jsm...@mosquitonet.com writes: << And I've wondered if those who felt that way would feel this is safe enough space to express those feelings. I hope so. >> Julie, I am sure you will find it so. You will also need to be willing to take in and consid

From Paul to Julie Smith

2001-09-17 Thread J. Paul Everett
Dear Julie, Thank you for your thoughtful and caring reply. Guess I'm still too much the engineer in this world of reality to deal with the truly Hating person. Vigorous disagreement I can handle. Hate is very tough, at least for me. Maybe the Giraffe guy can do it. It hurts my body when I come

carpet bombing with food.

2001-09-23 Thread J. Paul Everett
Well, this is one thing we could try in our warrior state. It would so shock the people that they might stop and listen. Paul September 20, 2001 Eli Berniker Guerilla Warfare: Carpet Bombing with Food We are preparing for war. We will send our cruise missiles into useless targets in Taliba

Another statement to add to the mix. Paul

2001-09-23 Thread J. Paul Everett
The following is a statement released by the Venerable Thich Nhat Hanh in response to the violence in New York and Washington DC on September 11th: CULTIVATING COMPASSION TO RESPOND TO VIOLENCE: THE WAY OF PEACE All violence is injustice. Responding to violence with violence is injustice, not on

Artur, et. al: re: Food against terrorism

2001-09-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
Hello, Communicants/Friends, et. al., It seems to me that we should think of this for the whole world, not just the crisis for the moment. And we should think deeply about it, how to bring it about. It is not a simple as it looks. A friend of mine (Jim Rough) one day concocted an addition to th

FBBecker's discussion.

2001-09-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/21/01 7:22:51 AM, fbbec...@earthlink.net writes: << It is one thing to turn the other cheek, and an entirely different thing to expose one's backside in the process! >> Yup, the fact is, there is evil in the world. Denying it, or wishing it away, doesn't help. We have to f

Another viewpoint with some good questions for Muslims and us.

2001-09-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
Charles Krauthammer / Syndicated columnist This is not the time for moral relativism WASHINGTON - In the wake of a massacre that killed more than 5,000 innocent Americans in a day, one might expect moral clarity. After all, four days after Pearl Harbor, the isolationist America First Committe

Re: Space Invaders? (Inclusion -- Chris Corrigan)

2001-09-25 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/20/01 7:48:44 AM, jdi...@ourfuture.com writes: << Even though, as I said, part of me wants to let this inclusive issue go, part of me says that it's not a trivial point. I believe (as you wrote) that space invaders violate our own standards and certainties as facilitators. A

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/25/01 5:56:37 AM, homs...@hotmail.com writes: << I believe your context is Tremendously skewed. I served in the US Army 12 years. I know MORE people who served with me who I consider to be WARRIORS than SOLDIERS (as you define the words). Most of the people I know who fit the

Viewpoint of Mr. Brzezinski. I'd guess pretty close to what will happen.

2001-09-25 Thread J. Paul Everett
Commentary: A Plan for Political Warfare The Wall Street Journal 09/25/01 author: Zbigniew Brzezinski (Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.) The United States has been sucked into a world-wide conflict with terrorism, a struggle in which America will prevail only if it acts effectively

Re: Enough resources for each Being on Earth, alternatives to war

2001-09-25 Thread J. Paul Everett
Toni, What this post reminded me of was Fr. Toulouse (Seattle University, Jesuit) admonition "Paper does not refuse ink." Likewise, the Internet does not refuse typing. Regards, paul everett * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -

Another small, very short thought of old origin.

2001-09-26 Thread J. Paul Everett
It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away." How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How

Re: Enough resources for each Being on Earth, alternatives to war

2001-09-26 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/25/01 9:27:49 PM, sac...@anacortes.net writes: << I am not sure what this means. Toni - Original Message - From: "J. Paul Everett" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Enough resources for each Being on Earth, alt

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-26 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/26/01 7:19:31 PM, 76066@compuserve.com writes: << Hopefully an easy question. What's an NGO? >> Non-Governmental Organization. e.g., non-profits, research institutes, associations, anyone who is basically tax exempt doing some kind of work outside of government. They

Re: Turtle (way of warrior) - who speaks for wolf? Long reply

2001-09-27 Thread J. Paul Everett
Dear Peggy, et. al.; I guess I'll take on your inquiry, who speaks for wolf. I think on this list I'm likely of the wolf breed. In a private interchange with Michael Hermann, re: Mr. Krauthammer's column that I posted earlier, in which he wanted to clarify my views, I responded with the followin

Re: Turtle (way of warrior) - who speaks for wolf? Long reply

2001-09-27 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/26/01 9:49:05 PM, sac...@anacortes.net writes: << "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller, speaking at the Business Council for the United Nations, September 1

Kinch, the OS List

2001-09-27 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/27/01 6:30:51 AM, ki...@sympatico.ca writes: << [hmm, while expressing their freedom of speech and assembly?]. >> Of course not, provided that they are truly peaceful. That they don't destroy property and threaten the safety of others, which is what happened. In the case of

Re: Fw: Boris Kagarlitsky, Moscow Times

2001-09-29 Thread J. Paul Everett
Artur; My comment is that Boris writes trash that isn't worth much time. So, I'll not spend any dignifying it. Bill Becker was far too kind. Paul * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscri

Re: Fw: Boris Kagarlitsky, Moscow Times

2001-09-29 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/29/01 5:52:02 AM, fbbec...@earthlink.net writes: << There is the way we would like it to be and the way it is. Let's deal with it as it is, and work towards making it the way we want it to be. >> Right on!! Clear-eyed realism and pragmatism. Below is a little article abo

Artur

2001-10-01 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/30/01 6:23:13 AM, artsi...@mail.eunet.pt writes: << We have been talking for a while that we live in a "global world", but we did very little to understand it globally. I think it is time to try to understand it globally -- to try to understand positions that come from culture

Re: Novel action planning design

2001-10-03 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/3/01 8:45:09 AM, a...@interlog.com writes: << > I have only sketched out the process at this point. Anyone want to help > me flesh out the details? >> When that's done, are you willing to share? Paul * * == osl...@li

Dan, et. al.; Re: Leveling the Playing Field

2001-10-13 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/5/01 2:27:41 AM, c...@alaska.com writes: << This much is certain: no initiative put in place starting today can have a substantial effect on the peak production year. No Caspian Sea exploration, no drilling in the South China Sea, no SUV replacements, no renewable energy

Dan--sorry, hit wrong key

2001-10-13 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/5/01 2:27:41 AM, c...@alaska.com writes: << This much is certain: no initiative put in place starting today can have a substantial effect on the peak production year. No Caspian Sea exploration, no drilling in the South China Sea, no SUV replacements, no renewable energy

Re: The Warrior -- Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-14 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/14/01 9:35:52 AM, jsm...@mosquitonet.com writes: << If the higher ideal of a particular kind of warrior is to Be in the world without coercion, force, or violence, then the "war" is being fought on a different playing field, the field of the inner self. Who is to say the

Information on Heroic Stories, (long) (From Paul Everett)

2001-10-14 Thread J. Paul Everett
Reaching more than 33,000 subscribers in 106 countries, this is... HeroicStories #236: 17 September 2001 www.HeroicStories.com The Spirit

Re: The Warrior -- Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-14 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/14/01 1:53:01 PM, mher...@globalchicago.net writes: << are you saying, with this humor, that punching back is the *only* response possible? ...or the only response that is not optional? ...or the only response that is to be expected? have you never ducked, dodged, blocked

Re: The Global Great Divide Don Beck

2001-10-14 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/18/01 1:28:56 PM, mher...@globalchicago.net writes: << Postmoderns add explorations into personal feelings, high levels of permissiveness, and strong rejections of authoritarian religions, all of which are offensive to fanatical ancients. These sensitive and caring souls a

Re: The Global Great Divide Don Beck

2001-10-14 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/14/01 5:12:15 PM, mher...@globalchicago.net writes: << elsewhere, the good news is that beck and his associates are already advisors to clinton, gore, bush, blair and other world leaders. m >> Yes, that is, indeed, good news. Paul * * ===

Re: Fighting Open Space Organizations

2001-10-15 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/15/01 10:22:49 AM, cor...@interchange.ubc.ca writes: << It describes Al-Qaeda as, essentially, an Open Space Organization, running on passion, responsibility and so on. >> Chris; A great analysis of the situation and great strategic discussion. Thank you for finding that

Re: Fighting Open Space Organizations

2001-10-15 Thread J. Paul Everett
<< It describes Al-Qaeda as, essentially, an Open Space Organization, running on passion, responsibility and so on. >> Chris; A great analysis of the situation and great strategic discussion. Thank you for finding that set of articles. Of course, Al-Qaeda isn't an OS organization because it la

Re: Fighting Open Space Organizations Long

2001-10-16 Thread J. Paul Everett
Another viewpoint I received today. Our media could all calm down, too. Paul Geov Parrish WorkingForChange 10.15.01 Terror news American media is doing the terrorists' work for them Over this past weekend, my country went crazy. Americans have always been a little bit crazy, of course

Re: The Warrior -- Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-18 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/16/01 9:28:45 PM, jsm...@mosquitonet.com writes: << If I am kind to a terrorist and the terrorist punches me in the face, that will not change my ideal. If I show compassion to a terrorist and the terrorist kills me, that will not change my ideal. These words simply ref

Re: The Warrior -- Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-22 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/19/01 9:55:06 AM, jsm...@mosquitonet.com writes: << Dear Paul, What if we are asleep and this is all our collective nightmare? <<>> What if there are those among us who know or think they know this is a nightmare? <<>> What is the proper response to a nightmare? <<>>

A moderate American Islamic voice

2001-10-23 Thread J. Paul Everett
To all: I strongly support this man's point of view. Paul � � � � � A Memo� to American Muslims M. A. Muqtedar Khan In the name of Allah, the most Benevolent and the Most Merciful. May this memo find you in the shade of Islam enjoying the mercy, the protection and the grace of Allah. I am

Re: 550 plus!

2001-10-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/22/01 6:39:50 AM, ken...@igc.org writes: << One of the things that I have found is that the way to get people to attend is to invite them. And the people who can most effectively do that inviting are people that the people being invited know. For this reason, I usually work

Re: 550 plus!

2001-10-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/24/01 5:34:02 PM, ken...@igc.org writes: << In the work I do, which is often Future Search but sometimes OS (many of the same principles apply to both) we place great importance on the sponsor. If you are the sponsor, are you standing for the organization or community of pe

Re: The Warrior -- Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-24 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/24/01 7:23:47 PM, jsm...@mosquitonet.com writes: << I don't feel like this conversation is over, but I also feel sympathetic toward those who want to move on to other things. >> Sounds like a good idea. Maybe some day we will meet face to face and can have that 8-hour conv

Kenoli's Comments--long reply

2001-10-27 Thread J. Paul Everett
Kenoli, et. al., Well, of course, we all have grief. It's the existential condition of being human and on this earth plane. Nothing to be done but to deal with it through friends, personal actions, counseling, living our lives, etc. Beneath grief is a deeper well called "shame." It, too, is lar

Re: Kenoli's Comments--long reply

2001-10-28 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/27/01 7:16:25 PM, ken...@igc.org writes: << Paul It is interesting that what you read in my message is antipathy towards the United States. The large part of what I said about our country is the following: >> Kenoli--I'll answer you off list. paul * * ===

Description of the Web=OST?

2001-10-28 Thread J. Paul Everett
To all: Below is a description of the Web from an, to me, astute commentator. I was struck by the parallels with OST. I've also posted his whole piece in case some of you are interested. Paul "The Web is not just technology, but a philosophy. Easy specs, open to everyone, no restrictions or ro

Re: Access Queen says hello...and lets you know about current airfares...

2001-11-07 Thread J. Paul Everett
Lisa, et. al; One idea is to find someone who flies a lot and whom you know well or a close friend knows well and ask if they would be willing to donate an economy class round trip toward your attendance at an event extremely important to you (OSonOS in Melbourne). It's a bit cheeky (chutzpah, et

Re: Nice short article on Emergence

2001-11-10 Thread J. Paul Everett
Chris, Thank you for that reference. His newer book looks even more interesting. Paul * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv

Re: Self-Organization...More...

2001-11-16 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 11/16/01 11:54:47 AM, cor...@interchange.ubc.ca writes: << My preferred metaphor is that of the hunter/gatherer. For a hunter/gatherer, the landscape is rich to begin with and requires no further intervention to make it that way. Hunters and wildcrafters protect systems by usi

Re: good idea or bad idea?

2001-11-18 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 11/17/01 9:09:17 PM, ch...@springbranch.net writes: << Invite them to come, >> Chris---emphasize that they will have a marvelously different experience and don't pay them. Pique their curiousity. It'll work anyway. Paul * * =

Re: Self-Organization...More...

2001-11-18 Thread J. Paul Everett
Michael, Jeff, Prasad, et. al.; Thank you for your thoughtful posts. It prompted me to go deeper into the metaphor and especially George Land's model for change in Grow or Die. I remembered that the third phase, Mutualism, reaches back and integrates those elements that were left out, or replace

Glory: About invisibility (and meditation)....

2001-11-26 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 11/26/01 5:00:37 AM, on.the.e...@sympatico.ca writes: << We had one attempted space invader (a mid-level manager who was previously an Executive Director of one of the branches!) which I handled swiftly and succinctly. >> How, please. Thank you. Paul * *

Re: About invisibility (and meditation)....

2001-11-26 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 11/26/01 5:52:43 AM, on.the.e...@sympatico.ca writes: << Winston (and other interested parties!), >> Glory, thank you, should have read further. mea culpa. Paul * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu