Are We There Yet - long

2003-02-14 Thread Robert . Chaffe
At the OSonOS in Marysville the question was posed "Are We There Yet?" Harrison has asked me to share MY reflections of the conversation that this question provoked. I was prompted to commit my reflections to print by my direct involvement in a fire that now has burnt over 2 million acres of most

are we there yet? (long)

2003-02-16 Thread john engle
dear colleagues, this might be some rambling but perhaps the process of articulating my reflections and receiving any comments from you will help me. i very much appreciate this thread about decolonization and also about 'are we there yet?'. as i reflect on these issues, particularly the questio

Re: Are We There Yet - long

2003-02-13 Thread Ralph Copleman
I'm puzzled by the long posting on the question, "Are we there yet?" It's still not clear to me what definition you're using for "there" and who "we" are. Can you say more about the terms in question? Ralph Copleman * * == osl...@listserv

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2003-02-13 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Robert-- Thanks for your comments on the discussion in Marysville, and your reflections on Firefighting as an organization that is responsive to the real world and its changing needs. We live in forest country, and my husband has been a forest firefighter, so I have a more-than-casual interest in

Re: Are We There Yet - long

2003-02-14 Thread Robert . Chaffe
Ralph You asked who are "We" in the context of our conversation we covered all people who are part of organisations where people interact/work to achieve some end. Therefore "we" includes business and community. We also includes people like us who are part of the world of leading or facilitating

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2003-02-16 Thread Jeff Aitken
thanks john! I love this train of thought. Theodore Roszak wrote a book called Person/Planet years ago. I remember he devoted much attention to people he called "mystical anarchists" -- among them Gandhi, Martin Buber, Tolstoy as I recall. I loved that term, and still do. Speaks to me that the or

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2003-02-17 Thread Bernd Weber
Dear John, wonderful to hear that you allready experience situations, where OS is the "natural" norm for meetings. I believed, that this such a 'de-conditioning' (see below)should be possible by OS, but did not experience it yet. 8 years of "social investment" is not little, but of course not t

Re: are we there yet? (long)

2003-02-17 Thread Birgitt Williams
nize that underneath everything, we are already there. Birgitt -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Bernd Weber Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:28 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: are we there yet? (long) Dear John, wonder

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2003-02-17 Thread Esther .
Birgitt: Einstein was very profound in this statement. You have given me inspiration for the coaching I am doing with a client. I believe this client has been viewing the world as unfriendly and perhaps it is time for this client to become aware of this belief and explore the impact of it on the p

Re: are we there yet? (long)

2003-02-17 Thread john engle
hi esther and birgitt. anything that eistein said gets my attention and respect. this quote is particularly interesting and really leaves a lot of options. for instance, if the universe allows planet earth to stop functioning, this would be a very friendly thing for the tens (hundreds?) of milli

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2003-02-17 Thread Larry Peterson
A few thoughts prompted by this rich discussion: One view of the "parousia" of Christian Nirvana (heaven or whatever in Blue language the "Kingdom of God") is that it is both present and coming. It does partly relate to "invitation" (which is always there) and to "realization" which is still in a