Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-25 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 2/24/03 6:05:51 PM, 76066@compuserve.com writes: << In these two posts of yours, you make Open Space sound like a practice >> Doug-- It feels like a practice to me. Joelle * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-24 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Michael-- Might be. There is a responsibility we take as facilitator, and that can and often does mean less relaxation at those times. Maybe when I can yawn in front of the group just before we open In these two posts of yours, you make Open Space sound like a practice

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-24 Thread Michael Herman
the more we relax our minds, the more we see the depth that's already always there. is your mind more relaxed as a participant than as a facilitator? might be the only difference. "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." wrote: > Ralph-- > > You sure are tough on me! And I needed it. > > It is important to

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-22 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 2/21/03 9:37:07 PM, 76066@compuserve.com writes: << How come the night-time posts seem more profound? >> Doug-- I can only speak for myself--I'm usually more awake in the evening than in the morning! And there is something about nighttime that leads to pondering. . . J

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-22 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Joelle-- And you have made me think, too. Thank you, Joelle. :-Doug. PS: How come the night-time posts seem more profound? :-Doug. * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-22 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Lisa-- Just what I needed to "hear." Thank you, Lisa. Wow! :-Doug. * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl.

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-22 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 2/21/03 5:18:50 PM, 76066@compuserve.com writes: << But we also got "educated" from a couple people, and to me that seemed more surface. >> Doug-- Consider the possibility that being in the meeting willing to be educated by others was a major step forward for those people

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread florian fischer
Ralph Copleman schrieb: > > Doug, take it easy. . > > > > hi, ralph, > what a straight walk !! > I like it very much. > you bring me to something > between smiling and laughter > it´s touching me deep and making me high. > thank you. > > florian -- florian fischer begleitun

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Ralph-- You sure are tough on me! And I needed it. It is important to remember what you say that even shallowness can happen. On the other hand, I have seen Michael Herman invite people to go deeply, and they do. So that is what I want to explore, not just in this thread, but in life. << You c

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Michael-- Ahh, just what I wanted to "hear." Thank you, Michael. Wanna say more? :-Doug. * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread Lisa Heft
Doug -- One more thing - who says the all have to get *there* at the same time? That's another interesting measurement. Do their comments at closing circle indicate they had a joyful, deep experience? Well, heck - are they all verbal communicators? Maybe some feel it in their body, and their c

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread Lisa Heft
Doug -- Funny what you say about Ralph - my impression is that it's *you* who are being tough on yourself. In all this analyzing I've read, have you mentioned the magic that came of it? Have you celebrated? J-u-s-t asking Here's what I do to hold space for people to do their very best work

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread daniel
gt; To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Going deeper, taking deeper > To my good friends-- > > It is the job of the facilitator, Harrison says on p 110 of the Guide, to > take the daily activities of an OST deeper, and that is done by > progressively withdrawing fro

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-21 Thread Ralph Copleman
On 2/20/03 10:02 AM, "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066@compuserve.com> wrote: > It is the job of the facilitator, Harrison says on p 110 of the Guide, to > take the daily activities of an OST deeper, and that is done by > progressively withdrawing from activity and sitting there letting go. >

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-20 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Michael-- I wondered about using those words, going and taking, but I was tired and unable to think of others at the time, so whatever words show up are the right words Still, I have seen you a couple of times, and you seem to have a way of engendering or shaping the awareness of which you s

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Herman
hi doug, about a year after i first started facilitating open space, my grandma was in the hospital for a few weeks. then again a year later when she died. i've written the story, which i know you've seen, about my time with her in her last week. in those early open spaces, i used to take on wit

Re: Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Herman
hi doug... 1. whenever depth starts is the right time. 2. the bit you quote is harrison talking about a 2-3 day process and you've just done two short sessions. 3. the question about how people feel after open space is most interesting and i'd like to hear from others. personally, i find that ho

Going deeper, taking deeper

2003-02-20 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
To my good friends-- It is the job of the facilitator, Harrison says on p 110 of the Guide, to take the daily activities of an OST deeper, and that is done by progressively withdrawing from activity and sitting there letting go. This is something I need to learn. I have felt that I am not getting