In a message dated 11/4/04 10:54:20 AM, wcbn...@easynet.co.uk writes:
> I was at a circle hosted by Meg Wheatley, where
> she said that she is only truly confident that a project is getting
> anywhere real if it enters all involved into a messy stage
>
Chris--
With many projects there is a stag
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Artur
Silva
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:48 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Muddling Through - and Post
--- Chris Corrigan wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:50:09 -0500, Harrison Owen
> wrote:
>
> >
> > All the rest is history, but it a history that
> seems to get re-written a
> > bit. It now seems that the Skunkworks, once well
> beneath the dignity of 3M
> > has now become a shining example of Cor
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Chris
Corrigan
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Muddling Through - and Post-its
Here is a link Marei:
http://www.3m.com/about3M/pioneers/fry.html
Chris
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:50:09 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:
>
> All the rest is history, but it a history that seems to get re-written a
> bit. It now seems that the Skunkworks, once well beneath the dignity of 3M
> has now become a shining example of Corporate Vision. Oh Well.
>
> Harrison
Well, H
Here is a link Marei:
http://www.3m.com/about3M/pioneers/fry.html
Chris
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:37:00 GMT, Marei Kiele wrote:
> "Harrison Owen" wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure that the strategy would actually work, but there are multiple
> > examples of what you are talking about. The most famous
Kathryn:
Hiya from one unschooling parent to another. I've written a paper on
the notion of freedom shock in Open Space based on John Taylor Gatto's
seven principles. It's here: http://www.chriscorrigan.com/papers and
it's called "Open Space Technology and the legacy of education."
I also stum
I actually think that muddling through is not a correction to the
conventional wisdom that stretegy and planning is the way to go.
Muddling through has always been the way. The evidence is actually
overwhelming. Show me something in the world, a finished process,
project, thing or event, that
There is so much about OST that feels like homeschooling to me. :-) My
daughter is almost 15 and we've been homeschooling a few years now, and we are
moving further away from the traditional schooling approach every day, even
though we didn't start as unschoolers.
Public schooling *was* design
As I think
Muddling Through is the art of " adapting oneself to and getting alone with
the life"
This also includes responding the needs of management ::)) your mother or
your father etc.
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Hi all
I came across a definiton of intelligence as:
'knowing what to do when you don't know what to do'
...perhaps this is about muddling through...?
Jon Harvey
Oxford
UK
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"Harrison Owen" wrote:
>
> I am not sure that the strategy would actually work, but there are multiple
> examples of what you are talking about. The most famous one (at least in the
> US) is the story of Post-its at 3M. The innovation occurred in a totally
> messy way (didn't follow any known proc
Subject: Re: Muddling Through
Chris wrote: Why is management that says it wants to innovate so afraid of
mess?
I guess that is pretty simple. Most managers are trained and paid to avoid
messes. Not too long ago (and maybe still) the shorthand answer to the
question: What is good management
rsday, November 04, 2004 12:00 PM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Muddling Through
Are there any specific tips on helping the traditional management mind feel
comfy with mess? I was at a circle hosted by Meg Wheatley, where she said
that she is only truly confident that a project is g
Another opinion would be to show the management that "planning and control"
gets very costly, ineffective and not profitable after some limit.
The opposite is not the mess but flexibility, dynamism.
That's how I see "muddling through".plan, decide but always be
rea
Jack-- I would only add what to me is so significant - leadership is an
inner journey that is able to let go of ego first, and then outer
directed in addition to the inner focus. Be Peace --BJ
BJ Peters
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of chris
macrae
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:46 PM
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Maybe I mis-worded what I was trying to say. Why is it we live in a
world where an o
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Date: Fri, Nov-5-2004 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Muddling Through
In a message dated 11/5/04 4:29:38 AM, hho...@comcast.net writes:
Chris wrote: Why is managemen
In a message dated 11/5/04 4:29:38 AM, hho...@comcast.net writes:
> Chris wrote: Why is management that says it wants to innovate so afraid of
> mess?
>
> I guess that is pretty simple. Most managers are trained and paid to avoid
> messes. Not too long ago (and maybe still) the shorthand answer
How about a slight variation of your thoughts, Harrison?:
We have spent so many decades "strategizing" (the word seems to have become
a "holy cow") that it is time to give greater respect to "muddling through"
- a trait that some consider particularly Canadian.
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macrae
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: Muddling Through
Can we expand at all on st
IST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of chris
macrae
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Muddling Through
Maybe I mis-worded what I was trying to say. Why is it we live in a
world where an organisation that asks for consultant or fa
Muddling through isn't so far from planning as it seems, if we think that
the word 'plan', in Italian 'piano' has in Italian language also parallel
meaning 'silent', well known by musicians.
In order to muddle through one has to become truly silent and let h
is management that says it wants to innovate so afraid of mess?
Cheers
chris
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Harrison Owen
Sent: 04 November 2004 18:03
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Muddling Through
Chris -- I
Are there any specific tips on helping the traditional management mind
feel comfy with mess? I was at a circle hosted by Meg Wheatley, where
she said that she is only truly confident that a project is getting
anywhere real if it enters all involved into a messy stage (the very
opposite of the way a
Hi to the list,
I am of a mind that "muddling through" is not even an option, it is the
only way. The phrase is probably more benign than the result of all plans
failing. It implies a willingness to let the chips fall where they will,
pick them up and keep putting your best foot forward
Subject: Re: Muddling Through
Are there any specific tips on helping the traditional management mind
feel comfy with mess? I was at a circle hosted by Meg Wheatley, where
she said that she is only truly confident that a project is getting
anywhere real if it enters all involved into a messy stage
Lucus Wrote: My feeling is that "muddling through" is all that we've got
left. We may even become good at it, I hope!
Lucus seems to be suggesting that "muddling through" may be our last option.
I rather think it is the only option, and always has been. And becoming good
In a message dated 6/17/04 7:40:14 AM, 76066@compuserve.com writes:
> It is interesting how discoveries come: it is not straight line for me, but
> a matter of just setting out along a path and pretty much stumbling into
> them.
>
Chris,
If you haven't already come across it, Ralph Stacey'
Hi--
Harrison talks about muddling through and how that has served
self-organization well through the past 14 billion years or so.
This morning I came upon another discovery as my journaling-rambling is
wont to produce. Out of that came this realization, which has helped me
understand what is
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