Re: CASOS and OPE -- was Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-28 Thread Denis Hitchens
Harrison replied: >Fortunately, I don't think we have to have these things, and here is where >the pre-conditions for Open Space and also, (I would argue) >self-organization seem to fit in. Over the years I found that whenever you >had a major issue characterized by high levels of diversity (peo

Re: CASOS and OPE -- was Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-27 Thread Michael Herman
Most seem to agree that we can have an Open Space ORGANISATION but it seems to me the implication of the conditions above is that any such organisation must exist in the state prescribed by the conditions. And I don't think that is even thinkable: (permanent) high levels of conflict and decis

CASOS and OPE -- was Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-27 Thread Denis Hitchens
Harrison wrote: >For me the fundamental difference is all about self-organization. Open >Space works because self-organizing human systems work. As the person who wrote in the list on 31 Oct 1998 "Yes yes yes --- its time to be thinking casos not chaos" This conversation has been wonderful

Re: CASOS and OPE -- was Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-27 Thread Harrison Owen
Denis wrote: >Most seem to agree that we can have an Open Space ORGANISATION but it seems >to me the implication of the conditions above is that any such organisation >must exist in the state prescribed by the conditions. And I don't think >that is even thinkable:(permanent) high levels of confl

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-25 Thread Larry Peterson
It is fascinating that the OS and Future Search conversation is going on at the time I was approached by a key Future Search person in Toronto to explore mutual learning. We are likely going to organize an Open Space about such things for both networks in TO. I was using many of the insights

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-25 Thread Harrison Owen
Great and useful conversation! For me the fundamental difference between Open Space and Future Search is how hard you have to work. Several years ago, through the kind connecting of Ralph C. -- Marv Weisbord and I (along with Ralph and Sandra Janov) spent a day together on just the question posed

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-25 Thread romy shovelton
Ralph - and all my thoughts on OS and FS would be much the same as yours - for me the primacy of the particular purpose and outcomes desired with the particular client in the particular programme at the particular time, is the key question. Only after real clarity on that can I personally begin

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread Uwe Weissflog
Wallace, I tried it from within your email and it worked. It is actually Michael Herman's web page. If you have difficulties to go from the main page to the subject matter page, try search "Uwe" and select the "strategic conversations" page that comes up in the answer. Wallace Ford wrote: > Uwe,I

Re: OS and Future Search and another request

1999-06-24 Thread Michelle Cooper
Thanks for the reference Uwe. Michelle Michelle Cooper, RN, MScN The Cooper Group Consultants 200 Crestview Avenue Ancaster, Ontario Canada L9G1E2 Telephone - (905) 648- 4633 Fax - (905) 648-1763 E-mail coop...@interlynx.net

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread ralphsc
Karen Tiller's summary of her research was interesting to see here. I have a couple of immediate thoughts. First, while OS is certainly flexibly applied with respect to group size, it would be a mistake to assume only OS can handle very large numbers. Some future searches have involvede several h

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread Wallace Ford
Oops. My mistake. I went out of my email program and into my browser and made the connection fine to pick up the globalchicago URL. Found the article just fine. Thanks Wallace Ford NM Conference of Churches -- Albuquerque, NM email: n...@rt66.com    NMCC Website: http://www.rt66.com/~nmcc

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread Wallace Ford
Uwe, I tried the Web address for your paper and got back the "can't locate the URL" message. Would you post it again? The address as listed was www.globalchicago.net (with the additional sub listings). It was the globalchicago that I couldn't find. And thanks to all the valuable contributions to t

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread Uwe Weissflog
eer reviewed nursing > journal. Of course, they like as much "evidence based" information as > possible. Would you be willing to share your bibliography of research > articles on OS and future search (understanding how limited it is)? > > Kind regards; > Michelle &

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread Michelle Cooper
article or your thesis? I am planning to write this summer about my experiences with using OS with nurses for a peer reviewed nursing journal. Of course, they like as much "evidence based" information as possible. Would you be willing to share your bibliography of research articles

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-24 Thread karen s tiller
Ralph wrote: At 04:56 PM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >It seems unncessary to assert the superiority of either of these two approaches, future search or open space, over the other,. The reasons vary. Maybe there's a graduate thesis here somewhere. Hello everyone: Ralph is correct about the graduate

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-23 Thread ralphsc
It seems unncessary to assert the superiority of either of these two approaches, future search or open space, over the other,. I use both. Happily. If I and my clients are thoughtful about the choice, then the one they eventually choose will be, I trust the one that works best. For them. Ho

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-23 Thread Rhodes Hileman
ralphsc wrote: > The choice of whether one, as a consultant, prefers OS or FS may very well > depend on how one is oriented or made-up or built or something. Are there > other thoughts about this out there? Interesting. I participate in both lists and I identify you with both of them. I had to

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-23 Thread Jay Vogt
In a message dated 6/21/99 3:51:31 PM, n...@rt66.com wrote: <> Hi Wallace: You mention the obvious structural differences, and of course the role of the facilitator is very different. In terms of differences with outcomes, I offer the experience of the Bank of Montreal as one example. The Learni

Re: OS and Future Search

1999-06-21 Thread ralphsc
Dear Wallace and anybody else to whom this may apply, PLEASE do not make attachments to e-mails. Whatever you sent would not open for me. Why not simply drop whatever it is into your regular e-mail? That way everyone would always be sure to get it. Please. Ralph Copleman

OS and Future Search

1999-06-21 Thread Wallace Ford
As someone fairly new to OS -- having now facilitated two -- I would be interested in hearing how the more experienced practitioners would talk about the differences between OS and Future Search. I have participated in one such gathering and have read the 'manual' but have had no train

Re: Fwd: OS and Future Search

1999-05-26 Thread owen
At 11:50 AM 5/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >FYI: >Got this message after a conversation with a colleague on the Future Search >Conference listserve. Thought some of you who like to mix and match large >group processes would be interested. >Chao, Jay Vogt *** Lots of fol

Fwd: OS and Future Search

1999-05-26 Thread Jay Vogt
FYI: Got this message after a conversation with a colleague on the Future Search Conference listserve. Thought some of you who like to mix and match large group processes would be interested. Chao, Jay Vogt In a message dated 5/24/99 2:03:50 PM, BrowLent wrote: << I just used three, short open s