Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine

2005-08-21 Thread Tree Fitzpatrick
I guess this conversation is 'over' but I am just now catching up with two weeks' worth of unread emails so here are thoughts from me. Duff, I experienced Paul's words about medicine as attacking, angry and space-closing. My first thought when I read his 'attack' was 'thank goodness he is not att

Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine

2005-08-17 Thread Jim
this list, and long in this world. I'm richer for your postings. Jim -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of everett...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:33 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum? - e

Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine

2005-08-16 Thread EVERETT813
In a message dated 8/16/05 10:48:26 AM, d...@innergy.ca writes: > Paul, > > I'm a little concerned about the attacking voice of this posting. Especially > from one that appears to be a voice that is listened to on this list. > Yes, it was probably too forceful. Certainly not meant as attack

Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine

2005-08-16 Thread R. Duff Doel
My apologies. The graphs did not show up in the posting. If anyone wants to see them they are available at: http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html They are quite thought provoking... duff * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ---

Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine

2005-08-16 Thread R. Duff Doel
Paul, I'm a little concerned about the attacking voice of this posting. Especially from one that appears to be a voice that is listened to on this list. I'm also concerned about the making forceful shutdown statements as if they were fact when they are simply opinion. There is a significant bo

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-16 Thread Funda Oral
, then OST is only a drug with having a strong impact for a short time. It's still good and fun. Funda - Original Message - From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum?

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-15 Thread Funda Oral
confused seeing where life can go. And i wish nobody has to struggle for anything, has to face any but any slightest difficulty in this life adventure Funda - Original Message - From: Funda Oral To: OSLIST Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:50

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-15 Thread Harrison Owen
well in the larger open space of our lives. Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr. Potomac, MD 20854 USA 301-365-2093 207-763-3261 (summer) website www.openspaceworld.com - Original Message - From: everett...@aol.com To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Monday, August

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-15 Thread EVERETT813
In a message dated 8/15/05 9:03:24 AM, filizte...@yahoo.com writes: > I once read somewhere that body does the most of the healing process > itself...all those medicine we take has just such a little role to activate > certain > actions, chemicals, interactions to happen in the body. but even

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-15 Thread Filiz Telek
ghtest difficulty in this life adventure Funda - Original Message - From: Funda Oral To: OSLIST Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum? Dear Harrison, Michael, Chris and Filiz..thank you for sharing your experiences, choic

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-15 Thread Funda Oral
- From: Pannwitz, Michael M To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum? Dear Filiz, reflecting on my experience in more than 100 os events I facilitated I dont recall running into "indifference, powerlessne

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Dear Filiz, reflecting on my experience in more than 100 os events I facilitated I dont recall running into "indifference, powerlessness or isolation" but being with people that were coming from "abundance, action and responsibilty". (plenty of them pretty mad, upset, full of stuff they needed to g

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
can not say "them, their problems, their >struggle, their solutions". > >I feel our responsibility is more then that. > >Funda > >- Original Message - >From: "Pannwitz, Michael M" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:00 AM >Subject: Open

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Funda Oral
em, their problems, their struggle, their solutions". I feel our responsibility is more then that. Funda - Original Message - From: "Pannwitz, Michael M" To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Open Space - a minimum? Dear Funda, I live in a ric

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Chris Kloth
Funda Oral wrote: That's what i do here, although it is not heard so quickly. But i can not get detached so quickly from people's struggle. I agree that self organizing, local resources, their lives and livelyhood (as Harrison mentions)...their ability to create solutions are important...very

Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Dear Funda, I live in a rich city: Berlin. My colleagues and I have facilitated about 300 os-events since 1996 in this city alone. The dark sides of this city have in that same period grown: unemployment, poverty, homelessness, dismanteling of social services, cuts in primary education and health c

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Harrison Owen
gust 14, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum? Michael writes : "There, I saw grand opportunities for open space and talked about it to people." That's what i do here, although it is not heard so quickly. But i can not get detached so quickly from people&

Re: Open Space - a minimum?

2005-08-14 Thread Filiz Telek
as I mentioned at OSonOS, and as I always say, for me the power of OS is to shift the mindset from one of 'indifference, powerlessness, isolation' to 'abundance, action, responsibility' which is absolutely fundamental for authentic, grassroots, effective social change OS is the most powerful