Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-29 Thread Winston Kinch
of books... Funny, you know I think ol' Margaret Mead had it right: something about a few passionate people being able to cause enormous change. Who knows, maybe this virtual community is such an "island of consciousness" aborning... Winston - Original Message - From: &qu

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-29 Thread Bernd Weber
Dear Winston, fine that you brought this up. It must be brought up again and again as long as it is not solved. I had the association, what you mean is closely related to questions which are and have been discussed under the slogan "The tragedy of the commons". Sending out an internet crawler wit

Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Winston-- With the current pressure on the accounting profession, this might be an excellent opportunity to press people in Congress on environmental and humanitarian reporting. JMTC :-Doug. Germann http://www.FootprintsintheWind.com *

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 6/28/02 2:00:27 PM, ki...@sympatico.ca writes: << Question is, should we try to find ways so that these rules become "the way we do things around here" or, as I admit I have been doing, continue to satisfy ourselves with pursuing the UL and leave the LR quadrant to other fol

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Elwin-- I agree. When we asked, in Siberia, about land ownership, people just rolled their eyes--it just has not been worked out in any systematic way. People were given the apartment where they lived and their dacha plot, but nobody seems to be clear about how land can be bought/sold/transferre

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Winston Kinch
Hi Joelle. You wrote: > I'm a big proponent of changing the game by changing the rules--and it is > useful to change the incentives as well. > > Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream does something like this, considering environmental > effects and the need for jobs in a community when finding a site for a new

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 6/28/02 6:09:08 AM, ki...@sympatico.ca writes: << It seems to me that a related possible winning strategy, which could be positioned as not inimical to anyone's interest, is to change the way we keep score: to work toward a situation where the environmental effects of our action

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Winston Kinch
Thanks for your response Meg. But I'm not so sure, having perused Amazon's editorial on the book just now, that he is going in the same direction (at least as I am) here. Rather it seems he is prescribing what "other folks" should do like "us" so all would be well with "our" current system. I d

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Elwin and Joan
> It's become clear by now the fall of the Berlin > Wall and the collapse of communism in most > places around the globe hasn't ushered in an > unequivocal flowering of capitalism in the > developing and postcommunist world. Western > thinkers have blamed this on everything from > these countries'

Re: Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Meg Salter
serv.boisestate.edu Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: Point of crisis... Changing the rules... Hallo friends: Whether we are at a "point" of crisis, or approaching one, or are already sliding down the hill, is moot. But as some of you have pointed out, we do have

Point of crisis... Changing the rules...

2002-06-28 Thread Winston Kinch
Hallo friends: Whether we are at a "point" of crisis, or approaching one, or are already sliding down the hill, is moot. But as some of you have pointed out, we do have the choice of how we respond. Something that has been rambling around in my mind recently is the old saying which goes somet