Perhaps Dr. Stephen Covey (author of the 7 Habits of Highly Effective
People) said it best regarding laws, like the law of Gravity: ...You
cannot break the Law, you can only break yourself against the Law... To
answer a Steve Holyer question regarding whether this list is like Open
Space, I consi
, always appreciate the time you take to write longer
>>>> emails and share stories.
>>>>
>>>> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well,
>>>> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom
>>>
Thanks all. I will think on these examples often in the future, I also
always think on the User’s Guide from Harrison (and often review the
bit on Space Invaders because I think it captures something essential
about Open Space facilitation).
A few additional thoughts I find there:
* I try to
n os event, and that it is selforganisation all the time.
Regarding space invaders - which I rarely have encountered probably because I
am such an awsome event myself, especially when totally present and at the same
time invisible - I do intervene.
My first intervention is to do nothing and wa
t; The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well, using
> almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom to take
> responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and where that is
> going to happen or not going to happen, at
ories.
>>>
>>> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well,
>>> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom
>>> to take responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and
>>> where that
>> where that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time
>> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
>> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
>> eco-self-organsation!
>>
>> I also have a very sim
not going to happen, at the same time
> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
> eco-self-organsation!
>
> I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely
> enco
, productivity, and where
that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time never
fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
eco-self-organsation!
I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and
running style)
> >
> > Now all this has nothing to do with taking responsibility for where I want
> > to be. I am focusing on this because I as facilitator am not in any way
> > responsible for what anyone does, under the assumption that everyone is
> > naturally "
responsible"... and I adress it in the systemic context we are in
> when in an os event, and that it is selforganisation all the time.
>
> Regarding space invaders - which I rarely have encountered probably because
> I am such an awsome event myself, especially when totally present
er the assumption that everyone
is naturally "responsible"... and I adress it in the systemic context we
are in when in an os event, and that it is selforganisation all the time.
Regarding space invaders - which I rarely have encountered probably
because I am such an awsome event myself
It's an interesting one because:
- The Law of Two Feet - is about us choosing to take responsibility for
where we want to be.
- Space Invaders - is the idea that NOT everything is allowed, and if it
feels like someone is controlling the space for another, then the
facili
The OSList is intended to truly be "whoever comes is the right people".
The "Law of Two Feet" is hopefully something we take seriously here.
I wish there was a feature in the OSList where you could "walk away"
from a conversation without having to leave the OSList. Well, you could
just ignore
Around here, blink and it snows.
So that's how it all comes together for me.
Happy summer/winter.
:-)
Chris
On 8/10/05, Larry Peterson wrote:
>
> Viv -- SNOW? I'm glad its lovely there and we are still some distance
> from it here.
>
> I also found "Blink" to be quite interesting. That ab
ur subconscious
knows. In other words, we know before we know we know! :-)
I'd like to think our responses to 'space invaders' or whatever we call
them - falls into this category - and the beauty of an OSonOS gathering
- or sharing on this list - is to explore some of that emerg
Viv -- SNOW? I'm glad its lovely there and we are still some distance
from it here.
I also found "Blink" to be quite interesting. That ability to
immediately perceive a situation based on "practice" in a moment.
Fascinating capabilities we all have which can be honed.
Larry
Larry Peterson
Ass
I see "law of two feet" as a very effective protection tool against space
invaders.
When the space is invaded ( if participants feel like that); it's a good
opportunity for them
to remember the law and to use it...if they don't realize the law, it's their
d
e Copeland
-Original Message-
From: Harrison Owen [mailto:hho...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2004 12:46 a.m.
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Can we be space invaders ?? - similar experiences
Marei wrote: So if I believed in the idea of space invaders (which for me is
Ups, red ink, big letters - what does this mean?
"Harrison Owen" wrote:
> ... Such an action (and I have only seen it happen once or twice)...
Dear Harrison,
I am very relieved hearing that you, with all your experiences, have only seen
this happen once or twice. I heard about s
...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Can we be space invaders ?? - similar experiences
Dear Marei,
I especially appreciate you sharing your own self-reflective process. My
own hidden agendas have often come to light when I realize that I've been
encouraging the sponsor(s) to inv
The red ink is nothing but my passion showing through... :-) Actually it is
just an easy way of separating replies from the original message. No
particular meaning intended. On the subject of Space Invaders -- it is
strange, but I really haven't seen a good one in years. However in the
"
Is that where they get the term poop deck?
Judi
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Christine
Whitney Sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:22 PM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Can we be space invaders
Mike Copeland wrote:
Later on I asked the sponsor why she felt the need to do what she did.
Her answer "I don't believe in following just one process, open space is
only a process"
What could I say to that? Isn't there something about letting it all go?
Yes.
When someone says "I want to do
tate.edu]On Behalf Of Marei
Kiele
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 4:05 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Can we be space invaders ?? - similar experiences
Dear Gerard,
back on the web after three weeks off I am overwhelmed by some 300
postings to be read. And more and more are
late better than not at all - loving your
idea of sharing our mistakes, ups, our learnings ;-)
Opposite to Harrison I agree with you. So if I believed in the idea of space
invaders (which for me is a theoratical construction I don't like very much -
who decides when space is invaded and when not
Marei wrote: So if I believed in the idea of space invaders (which for me is
a theoratical construction I don't like very much - who decides when space
is invaded and when not?)
The simple answer to your question is that the participants decide. And they
do and they will. The function o
In one of the Open Spaces I facilitated seven years ago I featured as a
space invader.
It took me a long time to begin to look at it that way, so here it is.
The client was a national association, the issue an internal conflict -
basically concerning the interface between the national Board of the
On Apr 1, 2004, at 2:46 AM, Gerard Muller wrote:
So what is your guestimate as to why invading the space was the only
thing this facilitator could do ?
it was your authentic response to trying to help
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Gerard
Muller
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:47 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Su
inch wrote:
How many of us, I wonder, make express reference to space invaders
during the opening, perhaps when talking about the Law...
I never make reference to space invaders. I think it generates too
much negative energy and I never could think of anything really
useful to say about it. I just
Hi Winston and all,
At 09:10 17-11-2002 -0500, Winston Kinch wrote:
How many of us, I wonder, make express reference to space invaders during
the opening, perhaps when talking about the Law...
I never make reference to space invaders. I think it generates too much
negative energy and I never
In a message dated 9/20/01 7:48:44 AM, jdi...@ourfuture.com writes:
<<
Even though, as I said, part of me wants to let this inclusive issue go,
part of me says that it's not a trivial point.
I believe (as you wrote) that space invaders violate our own standards and
certainties as f
ering. . . .
Toni Petrinovich
www.sacredspaceswa.com
sac...@anacortes.net
- Original Message -
From: "John Dicus"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Space Invaders? (Inclusion -- Chris Corrigan)
> Dear Chris,
>
> Part of me wants to let t
- Original Message -
From: "Meg Salter"
To: "OSLIST"
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Space Invaders? (Inclusion -- Chris Corrigan)
> Good to hear your voice, John (on both your messages)
>
> A few thoughts:
> - re over-inclus
Good to hear your voice, John (on both your messages)
A few thoughts:
- re over-inclusiveness - a good question to ask is "is the inclusiveness/
respect reciprocal?" We may be open to including many perspectives, but we
kid ourselves if we think everyone shares this perspective. e.g. I think we
al
eye.
Even though, as I said, part of me wants to let this inclusive issue go,
part of me says that it's not a trivial point.
I believe (as you wrote) that space invaders violate our own standards and
certainties as facilitators. And I agree that it's possible that space
invaders may be operat
(Thoughts)
all respect and much love
And little me wants to know more : who are you, were do you live, what do
you do...
Tova Averbuch
Israel
- Original Message -
From: Julie Smith
To:
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Space Invaders? by Julie
> Dear Paul,
Hello All
Deeds, words, and thoughts. I think these are all inter-connected. The level
of thought ( or consciousness) from which we operate will show in our words
and deeds. And vice-versa. Our words and deeds already show our thoughts. We
can think our way into a new way of acting - Florian and o
and thus we are then in the arena of the heart, dwelling in the One Heart,
open to All.
Toni
- Original Message -
From: "Julie Smith"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Space Invaders? by Julie
> Dear Paul,
>
> One of my dearest friends ofte
f the physical bodies of thousands of people. If
Einstein was right, we need to move up a level. To the arena of words, and
to the arena of thought.
And how can I resist, Paul, this comment from you:
> I am saying this because one of the premises of Space Invaders is that
those
> excluded
really want to be. I've never had anyone leave and the
sessions generally go much more openly, with much more open discussion, even
vigorous presentation of other viewpoints, all in a very different framework.
Everyone is heard who wants to speak. Even unpopular or contrary viewpoints
are pr
John,
Brilliant and wonderful piece of writing. No space for those space invaders
with hate in their heart. Right on!!
Paul Everett
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John:
We had an interesting discussion at OSonOS IX about space invaders, and
the conclusion I arrived at was this:
Space invaders are people that violate our own standards and our givens
as facilitators. But they are operating out of passion and
responsibility, for it takes great courage to
Dear Julie,
Thank you. For two reasons.
First, the initial messages did cause a bit if anger to stir in me, and
I'll own that. And this was my involuntary reaction (though I don't mean
to direct it at anyone but myself): Talk of caution, how love needed to
overcome (like nobody would realize t
t way would feel this is safe enough space to express those
feelings. I hope so.
You wrote:
> If we (in this on-line conversation) were facilitators in a ballroom
> filled
> with wide-eyed expectant souls, we'd commit ourselves to keeping the
> open
> space free from space invade
John Dicus schrieb:
> Keeping open space open is hard work.
>
>
> dear john,
> thank you very much.
> your thoughts cleaned my ability to listen. only to listen
> and to open a bright space of residence for your words within me.
> thank you.
> florian
*
*
=
free from space invaders. Yet the space where we have chosen to
exist -- where I have chosen to exist -- has been invaded. I have no
responsible course of action other than to take a deep breath and resolve
to help rid this space of those who have attempted to pollute the rich soil
and nurturing
G'day and thanks for the thoughts.
My questions to myself now are
Did I panic ?
What would have happened if I had not provided a new process ?
Did my unconscious need to have a future consultant role with the
organization mean that I wanted the client to see me as useful ?
Was I as courageo
Great questions Dennis. Some thoughts below:
-Original Message-
From: Denis Cowan
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Date: March 08, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: Positive space invaders
>>The issues raised for me.
>
>Until recently I had felt a degree of guilt over this "
uble. She would have been controlled by her need
to surrender authority.
It goes to what Harrison said about positive space invaders -- if you do it for
people, they will never know if they could have done it for themselves. There
is no freedom there, only a prison.
So freedom takes some getti
At 05:03 PM 3/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
>That has stuck with me for so long. I think that the real mission (in a
>spiritual sense) is to do what is right for our clients -- to provide them
>with a space of some sort to get where they need to be. If it is pure open
>space, so be it. If not, so be t
s etc. related to self awareness - they wanted to "do it".
>Specifically they wanted to work on giving and receiving feedback.
Wonderful set of questions for which I am sure there are no absolute answers --
but here's a shot
It doesn't
whatever the group chooses to do is their responsibility ?
Is keeping the space open providing the opportunity or is it following the
process. I think it is providing the opportunity.
If it is their space - how can there be space invaders ?
If we negotiate the theme with the managers only a
In a message dated 3/8/00 1:32:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cowa...@gil.com.au writes:
<< Musings of a mad monk ( I am not by the way , mad or a monk - I just liked
the feel of the phrase) >>
I like the phrase too. My thoughts are that purist thought is all fine and
good, but a mentor of mine o
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