The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-26 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Hi-- Hopefully an easy question. What's an NGO? :-Doug. Germann d...@footprintsinthewind.com * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsu

The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-27 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Thanks. That was easy! :-Doug. Germann * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Vi

Re: The Way of the Warrior:

2001-09-25 Thread Robert . Chaffe
Thank you all for sharing thoughts and ideas that allow me to explore and challenge my beliefs and values. In the jargon of our day much is made of "Win Win" outcomes. If the assumption is correct it does take the courage of the warrior to put their energy into achieving this level of outcome. M

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-25 Thread FamilyFirm
"Reliance on intelligence alone results in rebelliousness. Exercise of humaness alone results in weakness. Fixation on trust alone results in folly. Dependence on the strength of courage results in violence. Excessive sternness of command results in cruelty. When one has all five virtues together,

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-25 Thread (David Koehler)
Joe: I am not sure I fit into the pacifist category or not. Each situation demands its own strategy. To reiterate a theme I wrote about before, there is a "time for peace and a time for war" as it is written in Ecclesiastes. What I am concerned about is that we know which time is which. War see

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-26 Thread icalarry
, 2001 10:21 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: The Way of the Warrior Joe: I am not sure I fit into the pacifist category or not. Each situation demands its own strategy. To reiterate a theme I wrote about before, there is a "time for peace and a time for war&quo

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-26 Thread Edward Rowland
Message text written by OSLIST >As Americans we justify our terror because the British were so powerful and oppressive. The Islamic Fundamentalist Movement has set the US in exactly the same frame and not simply as economically repressive but in a religious and cultural context.< There is a lot o

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-27 Thread Wendy Johnston
It's a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO). - Original Message - From: "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: The Way of the Warrior > Hi-- > > Hopefully a

Re: The Way of the Warrior

2001-09-26 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/26/01 7:19:31 PM, 76066@compuserve.com writes: << Hopefully an easy question. What's an NGO? >> Non-Governmental Organization. e.g., non-profits, research institutes, associations, anyone who is basically tax exempt doing some kind of work outside of government. They

The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-23 Thread Harrison Owen
. Call that other way -- The Way of the Warrior. Unfortunately there come times in our common experience when the use of force is essential. At the community level, as much as we wish it were otherwise, direct, perhaps violent, police action may be required. A psychotic husband beats his wife, and is

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-23 Thread Winston Kinch
Hallo Harrison. With regard to your post, mebbie so... and on the other hand mebbie not. For instance, it is not obvious to me that Arrien speaks about the Way of the Warrior in the same way you are doing here - at least not in the piece below (ref. my underlined italics). As for the writer of

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread FamilyFirm
In a message dated 9/23/01 10:11:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owe...@mindspring.com writes: << The Way of the Warrior. >> Amen, Harrison Joe Paul * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe,

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Harrison Owen
At 09:24 PM 9/23/01 -0400, you wrote: With regard to your post, mebbie so... and on the other hand mebbie not. For instance, it is not obvious to me that Arrien speaks about the Way of the Warrior in the same way you are doing here - at least not in the piece below (ref. my underlined

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Winston Kinch
Dear Harrison: Thank you for your thoughtful response. It is well that we do not all feel we have to stand in the same place. As a Warrior, I choose to stand with non-violence. I honour and respect your point of view. I just like Aine's answer better... Shalom Winston

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Michael Herman
Harrison Owen wrote: > At 09:24 PM 9/23/01 -0400, you wrote: > > The capacity to take a stand, regardless of consequences -- I mean > really take a stand is core for me. But I think it is important to > note that The Way of the Warrior in not only found in the military --

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Harrison-- I agree with you that sometimes the Warrior is needed. I think we need to help ensure that the voice of the Way of the Warrior is present among the many voices calling for war. And to hold space for the Ways of Healing, Vision and Teaching are heard as well. I believe that going to

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Julie Smith
Greetings all, Harrison, you quoted Winston (in bold) and then wrote: As for the writer of Ecclesiastes, good on him/her; but as we all know one can find support for anything in the bible, including in the old testament some of the worst "terrorist" acts perpetrated on mankind (viz: the flo

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread (David Koehler)
In a message dated 9/24/01 12:07:47 PM Central Daylight Time, mher...@globalchicago.net writes: > . i think i watched the planes and buildings come down on tuesday and > didn't *really* dismay until i heard cnn and others label the whole thing > "attack on america"... attack seems to demand coun

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Thanks, Michael, for your thoughtful words. I'm reminded of a true story. I have a friend, Joel Levey, whose grandfather was a rabbi and who himself practices Tibetan Buddhism. Once, he and his wife were invited to teach their course, The Ultimate Warrior, for a cadre of Green Berets in training

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Michael Herman
dave, i think the quote below could be a little out of context. or at least i do not understand your comment in relation to it. i am in total agreement with what you are saying in your comment. the importance of words is what i was getting at... so am now wanting to understand if you are intend

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread (David Koehler)
michael: To underscore and in aggrement. Dave

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-24 Thread Chris Corrigan
comandante Marcos, people who have acted in the realm of violence in the past but know when enough is enough. Seems to me that well timed restraint in the face of threat, as well as just the right amount of opposing force in times of dire emergency make up the way of the warrior too. Personally, I

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread Barry Owen
Chris, Firstly, I must apologize for posting and running (a new daughter limits my time at the computer) . . . There are "soldiers" and there are "Warriors" - even BOTH in the armed forces of the US and the world. You Said: "He is the only soldier I know well, and the only one that was in a br

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread Chris Corrigan
Hi Barry: Nice to see you on here. Thanks for your reply. I have only a couple of small points in my own defense. Barry Owen wrote: > I believe your context is Tremendously skewed. I served in the US Army 12 > years. I know MORE people who served with me who I consider to be WARRIORS > than SO

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread Barry Owen
http://www.geocities.com/athens/oracle/9215 Original Message Follows From: Chris Corrigan Reply-To: OSLIST To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:27:43 -0700 Hi Barry: Nice to see you on

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread Toni Petrinovich
y go - and I do not believe we wish to be there. Blessings, Toni - Original Message - From: "Chris Corrigan" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way > Hi Barry: > > Nice to see you on her

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread Harrison Owen
At 07:01 AM 9/25/2001 -0500, Barry wrote: In my own humble opinion (I often am overwhelmed by all that comes across this listserve and feel less than "qualified" to jump in and contribute too much), These terrorists are getting EXACTLY what they wanted. In the short term, all talk in the US is of

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread Julie Smith
Thanks for your comments, Harrison. I have also experienced this as a genuine (and friendly) open space. Harrison wrote: As for the correction (addition) -- I would have to take some issue with the notion that "discord" has put in it ugly appearance here on this LIST. Perhaps it will, 'cause

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-25 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 9/25/01 5:56:37 AM, homs...@hotmail.com writes: << I believe your context is Tremendously skewed. I served in the US Army 12 years. I know MORE people who served with me who I consider to be WARRIORS than SOLDIERS (as you define the words). Most of the people I know who fit the

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-28 Thread BJ Peters
Harrison-- Thank you for this. It speaks to me more than anything I've read in the past two weeks, because it helps me get in touch with my ability to hold all perspectives in my mind and heart at the same time - at least for a few moments. . . Namasté --BJ BJ Peters "Darkness cannot drive out d