For whatever reason this one didn't make it to the listserve, too.
Dear Raffi and all,I want to pick up your theme again and contribute a bit of
what I found useful to become the facilitator I want to be. And it even seems
to fit a little bit with what is happening on this list in general, ri
In a message dated 4/20/05 7:41:03 PM, 76066@compuserve.com writes:
> 1. When I express my anger, it has been my experience that it grows. If I
> let it pass, it passes.
>
>
My experience is that if I suppress my anger, it grows. If I express it, it
snowballs. If I recognize, acknowledg
Raffi--
Two things, maybe off to the side of what you have raised:
1. When I express my anger, it has been my experience that it grows. If I
let it pass, it passes.
2. In a profession related somewhat to facilitation, there is a saying that
when you are in front of the people it is not the time
ok hard, serious, fun and easy job.
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From: Lisa Heft
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: inner aggression and the OST facilitator
"What are some ways I work on my own 'stuff'? In
"What are some ways I work on my own 'stuff'? In the past I have gone
to see a counselor, to sort out the toughest things in my life (times of
extreme grief or relationship issues). I know that is a luxury of
access and not available to everyone. But I have also asked friends to
spend some time
[oops! I sent the previous message without finishing writing it; a
Spirit trick?]
Hi dear fellow openspacers!
I want to continue expressing my profound gratitude. I am really
enjoying this conversation. I would like to backtrack for a moment and
talk about what brought me to this conversation.
Raffi,
I am deeply appreciative of your openness and willingness to talk about the
position you find yourself in as OST facilitator. I have some comments.
You said,
"When I am reminded that OST meetings is about the group and not about me, I feel very humbled
and sad. I am not sure how exactly t
Hi dear fellow openspacers!
I want to continue expressing my profound gratitude. I am really
enjoying this conversation. I would like to backtrack for a moment and
talk about what brought me to this conversation.
mailto:ra...@bk.ru
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: inner aggression and the OST facilitator
Hello, dear Raffi -
Thank you for sharing your innermost with us. It is a bit like walking out
into the center of the circle in an Open Space event to post a tho
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To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: inner aggression and the OST facilitator
[oops! I sent the previous message without finishing writing it; a
Spirit trick?]
Hi dear fellow openspacers!
I want to continue expressing my profound gratitude. I am really
enjoying this conve
ge-
From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Raffi
Aftandelian
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:31 PM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: inner aggression and the OST facilitator
Hi all!
In the process of my ongoing innerwork, I am realizing the amount of
pent-
Hello, dear Raffi -
Thank you for sharing your innermost with us. It is a bit like walking
out into the center of the circle in an Open Space event to post a
thorny topic that you feel passion around but don't know what will
happen when you post it to the group. It takes courage and surrender,
n
The/a bigger question: Does expressing aggression release it, or
increase it? My best, J
Based on my limited observation, I'd say that aggression rewards itself and
thereby increases itself. That's because the immediate reward is squelching
your opponent, which feels successful and is reinfor
two things come to mind, raffi...
first, a teaching i received once that pointed out that anger is theflavor of
energy that wants things go be different and doesn't knowhow to make is so.
when i can remember, i find it helps to have agood deep search for what it is
exactly that i really want to
Hi all!
For now I just want to express a deep thanks to all the replies both off and
onlist to my question. And I wanted to respond briefly.
I appreciate very much the loving challenges I have gotten and some important
wake up calls. (thank you Elwin for your very clear and loud reply).
When I
mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Raffi
Aftandelian
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:31 PM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: inner aggression and the OST facilitator
Hi all!
In the process of my ongoing innerwork, I am realizing the amount of
pent-up aggression I have within me.
I need to clarify: Angela Arrien is the one who said the way of the
teacher is to be open, not attached, to outcome. I have internalized
the lesson but I got it by working with her book, The Fourfold Way,
and with my spirited work community, which is an ongoing experiment in
Open Space and The Fo
Raffi,
Here are some sentences for you from " the question to life's answers" book
by Steven Harrison.
"Anger is an occurence that has certain qualities. It moves in certain parts
of my body, and triggers certain kinds of feelings and memories,
which all exist now. Only now.
It's only when we blo
Hi everyone,
I have never posted before but have been reading the list for many months.
I have only participated in two OS sessions (each was one full day) given by
an experienced OS facilitator ["Thanks, Christine!"] and several short ones
(one only an hour; others were half day sessions), facili
On 4/18/05 2:29 PM, "Therese Fitzpatrick"
wrote:
> I am reminded of something my daughter and I learned as we raised each
> other. We came to realize that it is possible to say anything to
> another person; the key is how we say it.
>
> And the key to the how is to be open, not attached to outco
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-Original Message-
From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Raffi
Aftandelian
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:31 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: inner aggression and the OST faci
More advice for Raffi. . .
You asked for practices. . . . during your season of the teacher, I
invite you to remind yourself each morning that it is your intention
to be open, not attached to outcome. As your day unfolds, as often as
you can, I invite you to catch yourself in moments of conflict o
Raffi, thank you for giving us a gimpse into your inner work. I am
grateful for the reminder that a facilitator's inner work is an
integral part of the work. Sometimes I think a facilitator's inner
work IS the work and showing up at events and opening circles is a
small part of "the work". Latel
RAFFI ET AL,
> What space isthere, if any, for the facilitator's expression of
> (verbal) aggression/violence in the context of an OST meeting?
NONE!!
> Another way of framing this question is that I am a very expressive
> person and I don't want to feel like I have to stifle my expression
>
Hi all!
In the process of my ongoing innerwork, I am realizing the amount of
pent-up aggression I have within me. And that I need to learn ways of
giving expression to that aggression regularly (new daily recommended
practices?). I am realizing that the more this aggression sits within
me it can e
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