[Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Colin Law
On 4 October 2013 20:28, Jan Kandziora j...@gmx.de wrote: [snip] In addition, measuring low temperatures with parasite power is bad, as it heats the sensor and thus, gives you slightly wrong temperature values. I don't understand why this is worse when measuring low temperatures than high.

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Colin Reese
Without comment on the details of this situation, that is not how convection and conduction work. Convection is typically described by Newton's law of cooling: q=hA(T-Tamb) Conductions is q=k*dT/dx ~k (Tsurf-Tamb)/dx Thus the heat transfer rate depends explicitly on the difference between

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Colin Law
On 5 October 2013 09:31, Colin Reese colin.re...@gmail.com wrote: Without comment on the details of this situation, that is not how convection and conduction work. Convection is typically described by Newton's law of cooling: q=hA(T-Tamb) Conductions is q=k*dT/dx ~k (Tsurf-Tamb)/dx Thus the

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Colin Reese
I'm not sure I caught all of that, but at steady-state: Pdissipated = qconduction + qconvection = k (Tdevice - Tamb)/ (thickness of boundary layer) + hA(Tdevice - Tamb) If you are dissipating some amount of power, the device will heat to a temperature above ambient so that the

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Mick Sulley
I agree with what has been said, but a further question - the discussion refers specifically to parasitic power, does the same not apply to powered networks? I had always assumed that it did, just that powered was faster, I am wrong here? On 05/10/13 09:31, Colin Reese wrote: Without

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Håkan Elmqvist
Dont forget Planck's law H H Skickat från min Samsung MobilColin Reese colin.re...@gmail.com skrev:I'm not sure I caught all of that, but at steady-state: Pdissipated = qconduction + qconvection = k (Tdevice - Tamb)/ (thickness of boundary layer) + hA(Tdevice - Tamb) If you

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Jan Kandziora
Am 05.10.2013 11:01, schrieb Mick Sulley: I agree with what has been said, but a further question - the discussion refers specifically to parasitic power, does the same not apply to powered networks? I had always assumed that it did, just that powered was faster, I am wrong here? It's

Re: [Owfs-developers] Self heating and parasitic power [was Failing DS1820]

2013-10-05 Thread Colin Reese
I assume you are referring to radiation. At this temperature that is not an issue. You need to get pretty darn hot for it to contribute. Colin On Oct 5, 2013, at 11:31, Håkan Elmqvist hak...@smeden.org wrote: Dont forget Planck's law H H Skickat från min Samsung Mobil Colin