no i was actully told to have a tubal ligation cheers
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From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Birth after uterine rupture??
> >> i actually had a uterine rupture with my
i actually had a uterine rupture with my 3rd labour i had had 2 previous NVD
the next preg was a night mare of negotiation u/s etc and an elective c/s
for swelling around uterine scar which was vertical cervix to mid way to
fundus so i guess there is a lot of fear around even getting pregnant jan
-
good luck with your birth there are lots of melb mws closer than me and also
andrea who lives in country try them i live bayside and its just to far
sorry
andrea quanchi 54826283
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From: Sonia and Alan Martin
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:00 AM
Subj
hi andrea are u close to rochester ? jan
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From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 10 years of Mackay Birth Centre
> Congratulations and Just a query, what obstetricians do you ha
shows that we need a donar list or a ebm bank
thankyou all sooo much jan
any spare gifts of yummy EBM would be much
appreciated whilst waiting for my mums milk to come in please contact me off
line thanks jan
any spare gifts of yummy EBM would be much
appreciated whilst waiting for my mums milk to come in please contact me off
line thanks jan
how long are babies under h2o at water births i
would say it is seconds only?
i have often recommended bi2 inj in preg will look
into it more jan
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From:
Marilyn
Kleidon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:12
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] B12
Hi Rochelle:
I was surprised to read that Vit B
so did oz mid get it?jan
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From:
Deliverywoman
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:43
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing
I got this one Jan.
Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
my messages are not getting through
melinda please mail me re arrangments i lost your no jan
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From: "Melinda Whyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
> Thanks for the warm welcome Jodie!
> We're glad to be doing so
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: RWH Homebirth backup referral
> i have been using this for months what is new? jan
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> From: "Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "robyn thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: RWH Homebirth backup referral
> I think there are good reasons to create change it wakes people up takes
> homebirth out of the closet and increase
can anyone tell me a hypnobirthing practitioner
client lives in carrum bayside melbourne jan
testing ignore
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From: "Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moving to Australia
Hi Wendy,
My husband and Imoved to Australia last August, Its
hmnn
thats interesting as there is so much less chance
of an infection as the cord is not open it shrivals up quickly and even if
placenta was putrid it would take ages to travel down cord and any one with a
nose would have cut it off way before jan
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From:
i don't know which state u r in ?
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From: "Dorothy Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of
third stage.
Hi,
My name is Dorothy
Its not always clear
there is also the 1per cent rh neg women who are
isoimmunized during pregnancy no matter what.
I had a family who had neg abs all through
preg then after under h2o birth at home routine bloods showed maternal abs
.
Too late to do any thing
next preg under med care at t
. Do you know of any independent midwives up
that way and if not how she can find out?LOOKING IN LISMORE any one
there ? jan
dianne can u contact me of list
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From:
Diane
Gardner
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:10
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]So the twins
plot thickens
Thought you all might like to know what is
happening with
what is the website that exposes hoaxes today i was
told i had won half a million dollars and had 1 week to claim ! jan
i will retire when i have seen a h2o birth in all
metropolitan hospitals and the way things are going could be soon.
jan
anyone able to help ?
Hi Jan> >> > I saw your name on
the Maternity Coalition site, but the phone number >did> > not
give away the region you live in. I thought maybe the "vtown" in
>your> > email address might have stood for Violet Town??
If so, what is the >area> > that you cover - we ar
who is there 24/7?
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From:
Sandi
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:19
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA]
give me some questions
Who can help you get your baby to the
breast within 30 mins post birth?
I have a client who has graves disease. She is
taking 3 50 mgs propylthiouracil 3 times a day. I would like to know if anyone
has any information regarding the effects this medication may have on
breastfeeding a 7 week old boy. The boy has no thyroid problems. Also, if this
medication is inc
dear weaver sas
thanks for sharing and I hope it helps to write and reflex on events . Don't
see any reason for not continuing on with your family many women with
surgery on their uterus have had babies love and joy to your family Jan
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From: *G and S* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long
Justine u wrote
As for independent homebirth practitioners, we
legally don’t have them (this is the choice women are most unable to access)
there is no respect for the professionalism of midwifery outside the system (by
Government
THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND
CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG
1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC
CTG PERFECT 2hrs later and she is in good labour standing with monitor on
working happily adjusted well with transfer and then the
my apologies to the couple and colleagues Jan
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:57
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal
monitoring
mary have u changed your address? jan
daer mary i sent
mary have u changed your address? jan
daer mary i sent a lovely couple to you she was
tall and french and he dark and hand some they were all keen on home birth have
they had their yet lots of love jan
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From:
Mary
Murphy
To: list
Sent: Thursday,
I think thats it it has to come from the woman ie
I want an active birth. ie Thanks fior that information but at the moment I dont
want whatever ie arm ctg
Yes its possible in a public hospital to be in
charge as long as the midwife supports the woman and thats the problem to often
the mw
a mother who is fully b/f her baby on demand at 11
months is asking me why her daughter has to have food? I chatted about fe oral
experiences teeth social and food experiences.
the mother would like a ref for introducing solids
that are organic and wheat and diary free any good info or web si
bad run?
unbelievable 5 births this month3 c/s trans from
homebirth 1 normal del priv hosp 1 normal del home what is happening
bewildered tired and yuk jan
Twilight sleep was OMNOPON AND SCOPOLAMINE and the babies survived very
well I have used it about 25 yrs ago mostly for women having their baby adopted
or having a stillborn baby they yelled with pain but remember on one leval
nothing jan
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From:
Lesley
GH at 36 weeks what would u do anticipating a
homebirth jan
Ihave aclient who is 16 wks pregnant and her son
has chicken pox we had long chates and she decided to test for abs she has none
the dr suggested an inj of immunoglobulins which he says are harmless to the
fetus
anyone there know any thing?
jan
Thanks for replys the mother with severe PE NEEDED TO BE DELIVERED A C/S OR
TRY INDUCTION AT 33 WEEKS ?
The mother decided on c/s on the monday then that mornig bravley changed her
mind tues morning had prosten gel that evening went to LW lots of high blood
pressuresblood tests later on wed morning
thanks that would be great jan
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From: Sally Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola
> there is a place just off malvern road that offers hypnobirthing, wil find
> out de
Iwould love a photocopy and there are n signs f thrush she is 28 weeks
pregnant jan
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From: Lois Wattis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore & dry areola
> Hello Jan - regarding the Hypn
from client can someone help?
have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem thanks
in anticipation jan
what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry
> areola at the moment?
>
> Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing
> yesterday..can't seem to get
they all read this list. Just be yourself jan
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From: Ken Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:50 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth centre
>
> Am being interviewed for a position in the birth centre at the
> angliss
ditto Mary jan
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From:
Mary
Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:29
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine
at Birth
Sandra, thank you for your frank discussion of hep B vacc at birth on
this list and the "birt
Its oppurtune that u say that, an unmedicated woman
doesn't need to be told to push. Last night I was at a very normal birth
2nd babe undunder water at home and the mother was caught up in speed of
birth and after the head birth nothing happened in next contractions as the mum
was so ,"ti
I think it's that there is NO prcieved risk with
c/s. jan
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From:
Marilyn
Kleidon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:54
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech
presentation at term
it is sad, Tania and that is how
Sally your quite right esp with a pp high in pelvis
the cx is held open by bag of membranes . also the pos you do the ve in makes a
diff ie gravity or beatle pos love jan
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From:
Sally
Westbury
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 200
october love jan
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From:
Andrea
Quanchi
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] swanhill
homebirth
Jan, Swan hill is two hours past Echuca and 2 1/2 from Mildura.
Haven't heard of anyone
A client wants me to go to swanhill for a birth now
thats a long way whos theere and what midwifery models are available jan
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water
Dera JULIE COULD U PLEASE send the list of web
sites thankyou jan
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From:
Julie
Clarke
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:15
AM
Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Birth through
wat
Title: Message
If the baby was jaundice at birth then this is a
case where medical intervention and maternal separation is warranted. This may
be a result of isoimmunization where the mothers antibodies which she
produced in her last pregnancy [1.5% chance with good antenatal and
postnatal
please get her to contact me off the list jan ireland
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From: HELEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:54 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC support
> Has anyone got info on a support group for women who have had a traumatic
> birth
Happy New Year,
This year I have attended 6 births
Some dec babies were late [10.12 and 15 days] and 1
jan baby early [38plus] and 2 on time which resulted in one baby
on the 2nd of jan and then 5 births in 4 days.
2 pg homebirths; 1 mg home birth; one
private hosp vbac; and 1pg bir
Continunity of known care is hard to achieve at the moment contiunity of
philosophy is what BC offer and a known midwife is the luck of the draw
However they often turn out to just perfect
I was recently at a conference in Melbourne one of the presenters was Nicky
Leap who I would describe as the
Looking for a homebirth for one of my clients who
moved from sunny Melb to somewhere between
Llismore through to Byron bay
Dear Listers
I have a client single mum 1st babe looking for
helpwith every thing after babe .any contacts
She is birthing in a private hospital in May and
lives in Port Melbourne in Victoria jan
This is what she wrote
"My mom told me that after she gave birth, she had
somebody who stay
Dear colleagues A client of mine PG very healthy is
expecting twins .
Is therre any reason for induction at 38 weeks ?
non identical seperate
placentas.
Is there any study that suggests a 1% chance in a
twin pregnacy of FDIU between 38 and 40 weeks and therefre an
induction is manatory
Title: Message
cass I work with lots of families in private system
here's an overveiw get a birthplan and get it signed by ob
staff in hospital do what the dr says
the back up for your dr has to respect[ with your
encouragment ] his mates signiture
in short no ctg unless problem with babe's h
dEAR tANIA
My understaning unfortunatly is that aust women
have had a 1percent chance of immunization and women having anti-D at 28 week a
o.3 per cent chance As I have 2 families on my books from both populations who
were rh immunized in their 1st preg any thing to aviod their pain is
wort
thanks robyn I am collecting a lot of useful info to "share with the less
informed. jan
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From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Patients rights and responsibilities
> Jan th
Finally found mws to go but baby beat us all
awaiting news love jan
I don't know any one in the area I live in
vic,
but at 35 week I would be very hopful the
baby would turn research supports late ECV
I WOULD RING AROUND AND GET KNOWN
COMPLEMENTARY PRACTITIONER EXPERT IN THIS AREA IE CHIROPRACTERS ACUPUNTURE ALSO
GET BREECH WISE woman wise book mine is out
dear Sonja the epidural and syntocinon are the
usual culprits
Once the woman has lost her powers or had them
taken and the 30 mins palp is done and then synto increased any thing incl rupt
uterus can happen labour is dynamic and reacts in an unpredictable fashion
when challenged by intervent
dear Robyn,
Thanks i'LL GO TO THEIR WEB SITE AND TRY FIND IT
yOU DON'T FANCY A DRIVE TO pORTLAND do you only 3 more hrs than Moe GREAT WORK
your doing clinically and behind the scenes love jan
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From:
Robyn
Thompson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wedn
dear listers
Ihave the seymor report re fetal welfare and the
law but can someone direct me to maternal rights in a public hosp . what does
apublic pt have to do in a hosp? Is there a document
' handy
' that states it is assualt to do any thing to a
person without their permission ie a vagina
terry and sally she is still going term +11days and still unable to have
her home birth jan my phone no is 0417379175 jan
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From: Child Birth Information Service <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifer
To all mws and consumers I have just witnessed a
complete hands off breech birth baby girl born up to the nipple line in caul
clear liquor intact perineum great apgars and believe it or not in one of our
public hospitals in melbourne .in hosp all up 6 hrs and home the power of women
jan MIPP
Is there any research that supports breast is more
taxing than bottle for the premature newborn .
the paed says only 2 b/f in 24hrs and the other [
6] gavage or bottle .Its a fight to increase b/f in this active well fattening
up boy born at 32 weeks and now 10 days old back to birth weight
victoria
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From: Andrea Bilcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland
> Oz! : )
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kirsten Blacker"
>
> > Portland
thanks sally things are grim in vic at the moment jan
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From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife urgently needed in Portland
> I wish I could be there. When I lived in
pete I would sieve the water boil the water and send a specimen for m and c
before and after birth and if all that it to complicated i would say how
about standing for birth and then sitting down again although i think its
all a bit grubby[could get a lovley postpartum infection . I have had no
ex
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)
> Plans around birth incl children need to remain open to change ie leaving
> kids asleep following the childs needs
Plans around birth incl children need to remain open to change ie leaving
kids asleep following the childs needs at that moment but the magic of,
"christmas" is often captured when chilren are present .
This year a 10 year girl defused a tense situation with grumpy obs in a
pulic hosp ,as her mum
thanks I'm in melbourne and that is part of my plan
jan
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From:
Larry &
Megan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:07
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] jittery
newborn
Don't know where you are, but again I would recomm
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From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:37
AM
Subject: Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] A follow
thru journey.when Sally met Harry(Long)
In a message dated 24/11/02 10:16:24 AM AUS Eastern
Daylight T
Case to ponder
4 hr 1st stage 1hr 40 mins 2nd MI till 30 mins
before birth at term plus 2days PG 4000 gram baby SVD under water at home
apgars 9+10 .breast feed well
mother GBS + AND DECLINED abs unless PROM
or prem birth etc etc
No signs of sepis at birth or subsequent days some
transient
URGENT PLEASE DISREGARD PREVIOUS E-MAIL SENT TO
WRONG ADDRESS JAN
PLEASE DELETE CONTAINS PRIVATE
INFORMATION
APOLIGIES
Dear Betty Sarah will be home till md monday please
ring her as Vanessa would like to start her follow thru cheers jan 93804616
sARAH hOWLELL
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From:
Aviva
Sheb'a
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:21
PM
Subject: Re: [oz
For me working full time for 42 weeks a year
is peerfect I think for 1 mw 6 births per mth is right the o/c is a tremendous
strain and more than 6 clients is over the top and less is not enough
income
so I try to take 1 4 wk period off 1 2 week period
and snatch another couple off when bir
Hi
Looking for an independant mw sth of lismore jan
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From: barbara glare & chris bright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
> Hi,
>
> I just did the crash course on TV adv
only aviod rapid change in temp ie warm wet cloth
on to nipple as soon as baby detaches warm gel packs in air conditioning .also
the usual attachment of course. jan
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From:
Sally
Westbury
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:30
hi lyn thanks for e-mail great news
another son and a great labour Ihave spoken to Ellie and she was thrilled
with her care looking forward to debrieing with u soon I AM AT HOME TODAY LOTS
OF LOVE jAN
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From:
lyn
kelson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Hi i AM GOING OFF LIST FOR 3 WEEKS JAN
Lyn I'm sure that the client can't be refused care abnd that she can make
an informed decision re all medication at the time. A disclaimer will
suffice and accurate documentation WHAT the hell is happening to our
birthing services jan
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From:
lyn
kels
Advice appreciated
Apart from firm support cold packs ice/cabbage
leaves sage tea and no stimulation of breasts .Has anyone ant ideas to mimimize
lactation in a term mother of stillborn baby.
regards Jan
Sally the vic borad of nursing has never publically
suggested in any shape or form that independant mws have a problem when and if
they do we can act Is this niave?
Where does your information come from
?
jan
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From:
Sally
Westbury
To: [EMAIL PROTECT
at home and in birth centres and hospital in public
and private when women are informed strong and not interfered with harder to get
as u progress along ie home---hosp but possible when women are
truley informed and supported by known midwives jan
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This is so simple that I don't mean to insult any one babies don't need to
be weighed at birth the next day if the parents want to know is better also
believe it or not I now suggest all mothers in the private system have their
babe weighed on the SAME scales ie wait till they go to PN ward .I hav
Mary I have noticed that the u/s person who has
been and remains the person I refer women to is doing more and more
vaginal u/s when there is a problem ie not a good veiw etc but always after
asking the woman who often declines.
But as a routine sounds very unusal
practise. jan
- Or
I WOULD IKE SOME PURPLE HEARTS FOR 11-9 How do
I go about ? jan
Closure and thanks
Well the body got the idea and the
woman surrended and after spon onset of
labour 3 hrs later a 3.3 kg humble baby boy was born ,still and loved by all
.
As tears roll out the family delivered their baby
under water no problems.natural 3rd stage no perineal trama. The wom
Dear Listers has any one information re waiting for
spontaneous labour whenthe baby has died in utero at 39 weeks . the woman
and her family want towait but the medical staff want to induce .Her
last baby was a c/s so this is a VBAC another good reason to wait .Look
forward to answers ASAPJA
Title: Message
yes please jan MIPP
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From:
Marilyn
Kleidon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:09
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria
Lemay
I went to the site again this morning and was
able to get to the forum on
no it's jan ireland hampton vic
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From:
Lynne
Staff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:13
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac day sept
11
Wish I could come Jan, but I'm a bit far away!!
Is Sept 11 going to be a re
Anyone interested ?Come and share at
Jan's house sept 11 lots of insppiring stories from my practice re courage of
women to be impowered by their birth rsvp for nos lol jan
Thanks jess that article thta david posted is excellant.
come and visit on the 7th I miss u too my woman was gbs neg and the hosp did
the heavy on antibiotics love jan
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From: Jessica Simms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:57 PM
Andrea I have approached HBA several times to no avail . All my clients who
have HBA also have tried to get me a provider no GOOD LUCK Jan
- Original Message -
From: Andrea Quanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] HBA
I would like a steer in the right direction for
research pretaining to risks of ruptured membranes over 24 hrs .ie neonatal
outcome 'the" doctor on duty stated that my client a known GBS neg with rupt
membranes 24 hrs and in good labour ran the risk of her baby having an infection
as follows
Dear listers I have
an enquiry from a lady in WA I asked her where she lives ans below
"The
Vines, WA 6069, but are not sure for how long, its in the country and I want to
move back to the beach for summer
so
some places nearby are:
Scarborough
Balcatta
Innaloo
Doubleview
Karinyup
Osbor
any of u rare midwives out Colac WAY BIRREGURRA edd
2-2-03 cheers jan
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