[P2P-F] the inacceptability of a culture of permanent personal attacks

2014-08-21 Thread Michel Bauwens
Need we say more, now I have been promoted to a fascist that kills people: as willi wrote: "But what Michel do, and some followers, is a very different thing. It is a fascistic action. "If you are not my friend, or the friend of my friend, then you are my enemy". Then i kill you (based on the ac

Re: [P2P-F] P2P Foundation List Moderation Notice

2014-08-21 Thread Michel Bauwens
one more time, in a collegiate decision, it was decided not to actively campaign against the abuses of the flok mgt, and I abide by that collective decision, there was no secrecy, the decision, the evaluation, the core members of the p2p foundation, all this info is publicly available and Gordon

Re: [P2P-F] P2P Foundation List Moderation Notice

2014-08-21 Thread Michel Bauwens
this is not about opinions Quirilo, it's about a systematic policy of defamation and disinformation, in my case, I was accused of being an austrian economist, while i am in opposition to it, david is accused of doing his commons work for political gain, allianzia solidaria in quito, the best coop

Re: [P2P-F] P2P Foundation List Moderation Notice

2014-08-21 Thread Gordon Cook
And i am afraid that i am still resentful of Michels attitude about the core members who were being attacked and his decision to fall silent to the attackers to ensure that they would leave his "core' members alone., A situation made worse by his repost to a FALSE secrecy whereby the core membe

Re: [P2P-F] P2P Foundation List Moderation Notice

2014-08-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear Kevin, i respect your doing and can accept it. I am new on your list, we never find a clear base of our principles and vision. So, what can i do on this list? To look for interest contribution i can use the archive. With the request from Michel i saw, this is a private space from Michel

[P2P-F] P2P Foundation List Moderation Notice

2014-08-21 Thread Kevin Flanagan
Dear Willi, I do not make decisions to unsubscribe people from the list unilaterally. Many people have complained both publicly and privately about your behaviour. Personal attacks are not acceptable. In the case of this mailing list. Where an individual is not willing to abide by the culture and

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

2014-08-21 Thread Kevin Carson
IMO it's not his desperation or valid questions that's the problem. It's that he's unable or unwilling to express them without resorting to personal attacks and conspiratorial speculations. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Anna wrote: > I do not find Willi's 'desperation' as inadmissible as oth

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

2014-08-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Knowledge is always Worldheritage Dear friends, I use the thread from Orsan for a short answer. I will explain. If we accept, that knowlegeis always worldheritage, a universal Commons, then never we can demand a private property on our knowledge and history. No matter how we put it. If we des

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

2014-08-21 Thread June Gorman
Yay!  An actual "case history" in "matriarchal studies", a potential "transformative" node of learning if one wanted to see it that way?   And in attempting to sincerely see it in that more "potentialized" way: Sometimes historic ignorance of all the particulars is not always a terrible place

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

2014-08-21 Thread Orsan
In my humble opinion, as Kevin recalled the territory of the commons and p2p has been [as Rifkin reminds since the 90s] a highly contested class-war terrain, it becomes more and more visible now with advancments in the theorization and practices of commoning, as well as the politics of it. so a

[P2P-F] NYC's solidarity economy

2014-08-21 Thread Michel Bauwens
http://p2pfoundation.net/Possibilities_for_Collaboration_in_New_York_City%27s_Solidarity_Economy dear Amanda, in the context of our last skype, I suggest you read this report, just in case it works for you, it didn't for me, if you could copy/paste the description/introduction into our wiki, it

Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

2014-08-21 Thread Anna
I do not find Willi's 'desperation' as inadmissible as others seem to find it. It raises a question which is seriously being addressed in other circles about how to make a living while making one's work available to as many as possible. We can focus on the principles he raises without getting of