Re: [PD] sample playing

2007-05-29 Thread Zeitler Andreas
> Attached is a slightly different sampler, actually not a sampler > itself, but a tutorial on how to build your own sampler. > >> What i want to do: >> I want to make a patch, a sample player. When i press a button i want >> to loop the actual sample position according to the key i have >> press

Re: [PD] [declare]: -path seems not to be added to the searchpathes

2007-05-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, >> >> - [declare -lib somelib] makes the objects of the external 'somelib' >> availabe to ALL patches, not only to the [declare]'s parent patch. > > Currently it's impossible to "unload" a binary object (builtin or > external) from Pd once it is loaded. Loading the

Re: [PD] proposals for src/notes.txt

2007-05-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: >> Ciao > > hm, it's not that i wanted to use [declare]'s inside abstractions and it > turned out, that it is not necessary at all (at least for what i want). > but every patch needs a [declare -path], whereas only one (the first > loaded) patch needs a [declare -lib]. i find

Re: [PD] [declare]: -path seems not to be added to the searchpathes

2007-05-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Yeah, they are essentially the same thing. The advantages of using > [declare] would be that the names are shorter and perhaps more > readable in the context of that patch. Plus the help files would > work :-/. I

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-29 Thread Damian Stewart
Chris McCormick wrote: > Yeah, I agree completely on all counts. Sometimes really great software > comes out of forks. DesireData looks really interesting, and I know that > nova isn't a fork, but it looks interesting too. Can't wait until some > of these cool bits of software reach maturity (same

Re: [PD] wiiremote for Mac OS X

2007-05-29 Thread Matthias Neuenhofer
i got the same now with the version 1.0B6 from april. the version i got build but not work was 1.04B from december. mn Am 23.05.2007 um 04:54 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: > > My guess is that I missed something in the port. There are a ton > of warnings, maybe one of them holds the key to

Re: [PD] gui development (was puredata evolution)

2007-05-29 Thread Damian Stewart
Kevin McCoy wrote: > The gui needs work - do you mean we need more/better looking gui > objects? When I was working on OS X, I couldn't really use very many > gui objects at once because of Apple's crappy closed implementation of > tcl/tk; the lag was terrible. Pd devs can't really do anything

Re: [PD] Behavoir of [keyup] in Linux

2007-05-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, ugur guney hat gesagt: // ugur guney wrote: > # I started to write an answer to a question on list about using keyboard > input in a patch. Then I realized that a patch which I written in Windows > does not work well under Linux, to which I have switched weeks ago. > # When I press and hold

[PD] PD i education

2007-05-29 Thread Eirik Arthur Blekesaune
Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic music? .. (Algoritmic) Composistion Synthesis DSP-theory real-time performance What are the pros and cons for using it to teach DSP-theory? Best, Eirik Blekesaune ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing

[PD] [PD-announce] GOTO10 @ folly Summer School of Sound 27-28-29 June 2007

2007-05-29 Thread propaganda
sorry for >< please >> --- GOTO10 @ folly Summer School of Sound June 27, 28, 29 2007 / 10am - 4pm St Martins College, Lancaster This year's Summer School of Sound will be led by GOTO10. Marloes de Valk and Aymeric Mansoux will lead a three day course, exploring free and open source software a

Re: [PD] gui development (was puredata evolution)

2007-05-29 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! > features that pd neither uses nor needs to use. It would be dead-easy to > re-implement the current GUI in C or C++ using a cross-platform low-level > graphics library, which would not only give us enormous visualisation > capability, but I think is necessary to support any more advanc

Re: [PD] PD i education

2007-05-29 Thread Derek Holzer
I guess you mean in the academic world? As was recently mentioned in another thread, Tom Erbe (SoundHack author) uses PD to teach synthesis at CalArts, I think that's a pretty good endorsement! d. Eirik Arthur Blekesaune wrote: > Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic mus

Re: [PD] sample playing

2007-05-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Zeitler Andreas hat gesagt: // Zeitler Andreas wrote: > But it takes 1 time until the playhead reaches again the in point > until the sample really starts looping. Maybe i should start building > from scratch. Indeed I would recommend to try building a sampler from scratch at least as

Re: [PD] gui development (was puredata evolution)

2007-05-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: > I understand this is a problem with tcl/tk. It is not, and Desire Data proves it: DD also uses Tk, but optimized the communication between server and GUI client, which AFAIK made everything run more smoothly. Just switching to a differ

Re: [PD] PD i education

2007-05-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Eirik Arthur Blekesaune hat gesagt: // Eirik Arthur Blekesaune wrote: > Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic music? .. > (Algoritmic) Composistion > Synthesis > DSP-theory > real-time performance > > What are the pros and cons for using it to teach DSP-theory? I c

Re: [PD] PD i education

2007-05-29 Thread Mikael Fernstrom
I use PD with our MA/MSc students in Interactive Media and (some) in Music Technology here at the University of Limerick. http://www.csis.ul.ie/imedia/ http://www.ccmcm.ie/ http://www.idc.ul.ie/ - Mikael Fernström On 29 May 2007, at 09:39, Eirik Arthur Blekesaune wrote: > Can anybody help me

Re: [PD] Behavoir of [keyup] in Linux

2007-05-29 Thread ugur guney
# Adding a delay worked well. But something is surprising. The [delay] have to be longer than 0.1 to block this oscillating behavior. I'm attaching a patch (delaykey.pd) which shows the implementation. I think X11 gives the "key pressed" message in every 40 msec's or something. So 0.1 delay is not

Re: [PD] Behavoir of [keyup] in Linux

2007-05-29 Thread Atwood, Robert C
If it's coming from the X, can't you switch off autorepeat in the X ? Granted, I cannot find the correct documentaiton as to how to do it at the shell level, but the XkeyboardControl structure contains a flag to set it off or on... So there must be a way... Like xset -r ? ...

[PD] Actually it does work ( xset -r ) RE: Behavoir of [keyup] in Linux

2007-05-29 Thread Atwood, Robert C
I said: > It does not work on the computer where I am sitting .. But actually it does work, i.e. X clients on that display no longer receive key repeats after an xset -r is issued on any session whose DISPLAY is the X server that I am looking at here. The PuTTy terminal window is not a X clien

[PD] Pd and Edirol UA-25

2007-05-29 Thread Ede Cameron
After reading on the list about Edirol UA-25 I went out and got one on run on Debian. I can get sound when running in standard mode or midi in advanced but can't get both. I read on the list that some- one is running both midi and sound. Problem is the UA-25 seems to force 24bit in advanc

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread nosehair911
Thanks for helping. Well I basically have a rough sketch of all the objects but I am having a tough time with the outlet system. In a nutshell opencv uses an image structure called "typedef struct _IplImage." Acording to them "The structure IplImage came from Intel Image Processing Library

Re: [PD] proposals for src/notes.txt

2007-05-29 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 09:54 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > you are correct that only the "first loaded" patch MUST contain the > [declare -lib]. > but since you do not know which patch is loaded first (at least you > should not assume that you do know), i would suggest that all patches > dep

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for helping. Well I basically have a rough sketch of all the objects > but I am having a tough > time with the outlet system. In a nutshell opencv uses an image structure > called "typedef struct > _IplImage." Acording to them "The structure IplImage came fr

Re: [PD] Pd and Edirol UA-25

2007-05-29 Thread Cesare Marilungo
Ede Cameron wrote: >After reading on the list about Edirol UA-25 I went out and got > one on run on Debian. I can get sound when running in standard mode > or midi in advanced but can't get both. I read on the list that some- > one is running both midi and sound. Problem is the UA-25 seems

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread nosehair911
I dont think I quite understood. I tried: #define FRAMEOUT frame IplImage *frame = 0; x->x_outlet = outlet_new(&x->x_obj, &s_anything); outlet_anything(x->x_outlet, FRAMEOUT); with the same results. Maybe someone can dumb it down for me? Alain > > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I dont think I quite understood. I tried: > > #define FRAMEOUT frame > > IplImage *frame = 0; > > x->x_outlet = outlet_new(&x->x_obj, &s_anything); > outlet_anything(x->x_outlet, FRAMEOUT); > > with the same results. Maybe someone can dumb it down for me? just out

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread Tim Boykett
Hi Alain, wouldn't it be a lot easier to take the system that you already have and use OSC or FIDO to send the values (that you were printing) to PD for further processing? I am greatly in favour of using different systems for different jobs and letting a protocol like OSC or fido (netsend) co

[PD] ld flags

2007-05-29 Thread xname
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo! Anyone can tell what should be the equivalent of this line on osx: ld -export_dynamic -shared -o pippo.pd_linux pippo.o -lc -lm ? i get ld: unknown flag: -export_dynamic and ld: unknown flag: -shared i had a look at the man id page and goo

[PD] ld flags

2007-05-29 Thread xname
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo! Anyone can tell what should be the equivalent of this line on osx: ld -export_dynamic -shared -o pippo.pd_linux pippo.o -lc -lm ? i get ld: unknown flag: -export_dynamic and ld: unknown flag: -shared i had a look at the man id page and goo

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread nosehair911
Martin, Thanks for your insight. I will look into that. It seems like sprintf/atoi is what I need to be looking at. Alain > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/05/29 Tue AM 11:51:36 EDT > To: > CC: Tim Boykett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread chris clepper
The Intel library struct is a different data type than the Pd symbol data type. Pd doesn't have any idea what your frame pointer is pointing to so it throw that error. You really need to have a working knowledge of C data types to do what you want to do. On 5/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread nosehair911
You are right it would be. It would also be easier to make a self contained external with just one object and just use pd message system to output a list. I appreciate your help. I guess I will try to finish what I started using Martins suggestions and work on a standalone app at the same ti

Re: [PD] ld flags

2007-05-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, xname hat gesagt: // xname wrote: > Anyone can tell what should be the equivalent of this line on osx: > > ld -export_dynamic -shared -o pippo.pd_linux pippo.o -lc -lm I think, it's something with "-bundle" but the easiest thing to do would be if you check out some of the Makefiles in the

[PD] [PD-announce] mMm 0.3 atlantis

2007-05-29 Thread Enrique Erne
finally mMm has a working arranger&sequencer with multiple pattern ready to produce cheap crappy techno tracks. several patches within mMm are based upon pd's help/browser, pd-list attachments or netpd instruments. http://puredata.info/Members/eni/mMm/mmm-0-3-atlantis the latest release is mmm

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Stone
This has been a fascinating thread about the direction of PD. I've been thinking about parallelism and PD as multi-core processors become common. How hard would it be to make PD able to take advantage of parallel architecture? I'm guessing that it is decidedly non-trivial, as lack of threadin

Re: [PD] Pd and Edirol UA-25

2007-05-29 Thread Bryan Jurish
moin Ede, moin list, Well, I'm successfully running both MIDI and audio off the UA-25, also on debian (mostly) etch, and a ThinkPad T42... First of all, don't use OSS (emulation) -- I've had no luck here with the UA-25 in "advance mode" and Pd; as you say, probably due to 24-bititude. Do you hav

Re: [PD] [declare]: -path seems not to be added to the searchpathes

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On May 29, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> Yeah, they are essentially the same thing. The advantages of using >> [declare] would be that the names are shorter and perhaps more >> readable in the context

Re: [PD] ld flags

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Check out externals/Makefile and packages/Makefile.buildlayout. You can see the Mac OS X, GNU/Linux, and Windows/MinGW build setup. .hc On May 29, 2007, at 11:56 AM, xname wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yo! > > Anyone can tell what should be the equivalent of th

Re: [PD] ld flags

2007-05-29 Thread chris clepper
On 5/29/07, xname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yo! > > Anyone can tell what should be the equivalent of this line on osx: > > ld -export_dynamic -shared -o pippo.pd_linux pippo.o -lc -lm > -bundle -undefined suppress -flat_namespace -o pippo.pd_l

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread martin.peach
> I dont think I quite understood. I tried: > > #define FRAMEOUT frame > > IplImage *frame = 0; > > x->x_outlet = outlet_new(&x->x_obj, &s_anything); > outlet_anything(x->x_outlet, FRAMEOUT); > > with the same results. Maybe someone can dumb it down for me? You can only work with atoms in pd

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread nosehair911
I just realized I should be posting in the pd-dev list so from now on any questions I have relating to this project will be posted there. Martin, I am getting a weird error when I try sym = gensym(symstr); I get no match for 'operator=' in 'sym = gensym(((char*)(& symstr)))' I dont know what th

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread Mike Wozniewski
Hi Alain, I've used the OpenCV blobtracker with Pd before, and I simply send blob positions and sizes over UDP using u_pdsend.c I've attached my code and makefile... look in blobtrack.c and search for where I use the pdsend_init() and pdsend_message() functions... it's pretty simple. Then

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread martin.peach
Alain wrote: > I am getting a weird error when I try sym = gensym(symstr); I get > no match for 'operator=' in 'sym = gensym(((char*)(& symstr)))' > I dont know what thats all about. I have seen this used before with no > problems. That looks like a c++ error to me, maybe you should be compilin

[PD] "Theory and Techniques" book available from World Scientific Press

2007-05-29 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, The book, Theory and Techniques of Electronic Music, is now available on paper from World Scientific Press: http://www.worldscibooks.com/compsci/6277.html It's still maintained on-line at the usual location: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm cheers Miller __

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread Nose Hair
I think I figured it out. It looks like I have to use t_symbol *sym instead of t_symbol sym and the outlet has to be x->outlet_new(x- >x_outlet0, &*sym). That seemed to work. The weird problem I am having now it I get an error with the return(void *)x; I get error: return-statement with a

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread Nose Hair
Thanks Mike, Its awsome how helpful people in this community can be. I will check out you code and modify it if need be, like add the option to use an avi in order to be able to calibrate things and such and I will post it. I will also continue to figure out the external because I think

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread Nose Hair
I see you have the ability to capture from an avi built in already: avi_name = argv[i]; if (avi_name) pCap = cvCaptureFromFile(avi_name); else pCap = cvCaptureFromCAM( 0 ) This is code looks great. I could figure it out from the code but if you have any use instructions let me know. It

Re: [PD] opencv motion tracker external HELP!

2007-05-29 Thread Nose Hair
Sorry forgot to ask. Do you have a pd abstraction for this? If not I will see what I can cook up. I think iemmatrix might do the trick. Alain On May 29, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Nose Hair wrote: I see you have the ability to capture from an avi built in already: avi_name = argv[i]; if (avi_name) pCa

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-29 Thread shift8
it works, but you need to be able to recognize what additional dependencies are needed for your machine, or code modifications for your distro (different versions of gcc have different ideas of what constitutes a build error, diferent versions of link-in external shared libs are a big one too - gen

Re: [PD] "Theory and Techniques" book available from World Scientific Press

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Congratulations on getting that out! I'll bet that's where you had disappeared to in the recent past. .hc On May 29, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: > Hi all, > > The book, Theory and Techniques of Electronic Music, is now > available on > paper from World Scientific Press: > >

Re: [PD] PD i education

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
We've been using Pd to teach sound and soon sensors/interaction here: http://idmi.poly.edu I try to make all my materials freely available. It seems that we should all work together and come up with some kick-ass teaching materials. Plus I think it would save us all a lot of work in the

Re: [PD] ld flags

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On May 29, 2007, at 2:39 PM, chris clepper wrote: > On 5/29/07, xname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Yo! >> >> Anyone can tell what should be the equivalent of this line on osx: >> >> ld -export_dynamic -shared -o pippo.pd_linux pippo.o -lc -l

Re: [PD] gui development (was puredata evolution)

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On May 28, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Damian Stewart wrote: > Kevin McCoy wrote: >> The gui needs work - do you mean we need more/better looking gui >> objects? When I was working on OS X, I couldn't really use very many >> gui objects at once because of Apple's crappy closed >> implementation of >> tc

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
That is a tough problem. On a basic level, Pd is ready right now for two processors since it uses two separate processes: pd and pd-gui. But the pd process does the heavy lifting, so it's a bit uneven. As for taking advantage of multiple cores, that is a lot more complicated. Max/MSP doe

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-29 Thread [*~]
hi all: as far as compiling desiredata goes (on linux), it should require just the same dependencies as building Pd. atm, errors are mostly coming from running it, simply because its still very much of a work in progress. shift8 said : > it works, but you need to be able to recognize what addi

Re: [PD] gui development (was puredata evolution)

2007-05-29 Thread [*~]
Hans-Christoph Steiner said : > > On May 28, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Damian Stewart wrote: > > > Kevin McCoy wrote: > >> The gui needs work - do you mean we need more/better looking gui > >> objects? When I was working on OS X, I couldn't really use very many > >> gui objects at once because of Apple'

Re: [PD] "Theory and Techniques" book available from World Scientific Press

2007-05-29 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Yes, awesome news! I'll pick up a copy as soon as $78 shows up : ). I've already learned so much from reading the PDF version. Thanks : ). On 5/29/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Congratulations on getting that out! I'll bet that's where you had > disappeared to in the

Re: [PD] "Theory and Techniques" book available from World Scientific Press

2007-05-29 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, don't impoverish yourselves... it's essentially identical to the PDF version except more suited for reading on the beach. Next time you're in a school library, you can always drop a hint to the librarian to get one :) M On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:02:38PM -0400, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: >

Re: [PD] "Theory and Techniques" book available from WorldScientific Press

2007-05-29 Thread Michael Garrett
Well, being somewhat addicted to technical manuscripts. (Amazon sends me gifts at Christmas).. $78 dollars is a bargain, especially considering that PD is FREE Great Manuscript (I will buy the book), the best I have read on the topic, congratulations!! Michael -Original Messag

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-29 Thread Charles Henry
I think it depends on the application for the most part, we can't get a generic speedup from using multiple cores (forgive me if wrong) that would apply to every single pd program. but some types of computations such as large ffts can be performed faster when distributed to different cores,