Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: ask a lawyer to check in detail, if this is true. however, if licenses could cross 'levels of abstractions' in the sense of pd patches being affected by the license of pd, afaik, licenses do not cross levels of abstractions. however, if i have a collection of

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On my machine, I can run two of these on the CLI and get two GUIs: excuse my ignorance, but by CLI do you all mean _any_ terminal, or a special one? /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-extended interesting. any ideas why it does not work for

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Steffen Juul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i cannot follow you here at all. Kyle wants to, correct me if i'm wrong, translate seems like i talked babylonian here. i understood what kyle requested it, but i did not understand why he wanted it. too early in the

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:08:18AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Roman Haefeli wrote: ask a lawyer to check in detail, if this is true. however, if licenses could cross 'levels of abstractions' in the sense of pd patches being affected by the license of pd, afaik, licenses do not

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-29 Thread Simon Mills
Hi dafydd Its true it does work great - on 10.5.1 also. Just have to be aware that its only supporting 1 processor at the mo however. (that means everything running at the same time as Pd) Wish I had the know-how to get in there and help out :-/ Who was responsible for it originally does

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Chris McCormick wrote: however, if i have a collection of abstractions published under the GPL, then i think i don't cross this magical border. There is no magical border. There is just different software with different licenses and different types of works (which are treated differently

[PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread LAC2008
Dear all, The Linux Audio Conference 2008 in Cologne (Feb 28th - Mar 2nd 2008) is just one month away now. The programme is shaping up, concerts are being organized and coffee is about to be ordered. To help us with planning the LAC2008 we kindly ask you to register now at the conference

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
You may not have the knowledge to fix Jack now, but you can learn. Most of the Pd devs did just that in order to improve Pd. When I started, I'd never touched Tcl and I had taken one class on C eight years previous to that and hadn't touched since at all in the time in between. So I

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Miller is giving a keynote, so it seems it could be the Pd year at LAC. I'll be presenting the NY Times project that I recently worked on. Who else will be there? .hc On Jan 29, 2008, at 6:33 AM, LAC2008 wrote: Dear all, The Linux Audio Conference 2008 in Cologne (Feb 28th - Mar 2nd

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I'd say the first part is really clearly documenting the bug, and trying to narrow down where the cause it. That means testing different versions, different setups, etc. .hc On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Dafydd Hughes wrote: Okay so hook me up. (That's kinda what I wanted to hear.) I'll

Re: [PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-29 Thread Miller Puckette
Just a guess... maybe allocating all that memory is forcing the OS to page other apps out. (I'm not sure how much memory is getting used but if it's more than 1/4 of the system total it's possible that is slowing stuff down.) cheers Miller On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 04:52:56PM +0100, matteo sisti

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:08 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Roman Haefeli wrote: ask a lawyer to check in detail, if this is true. however, if licenses could cross 'levels of abstractions' in the sense of pd patches being affected by the license of pd, afaik, licenses do not cross levels of

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:08 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: but i really don't know mfga.sd IOhannes Dynamically linked libraries also trigger the GPL. For example, most yeah; i wanted to stress that shipping a patch with abstraction dependencies could even

Re: [PD] plugin~ problems (ladspa-linux) - strange behavior

2008-01-29 Thread Jerome Tuncer
Hi glerm, This has already been discussed a a few times I think. It happened to me as well, the workaround I found at the time was to start pd with the unset LANG prepended i.e. : $ unset LANG $ ./pd Alternatively : $ unset LANG ./pd Does pd started from a terminal throw you an error like

Re: [PD] High cpu usage

2008-01-29 Thread Javier Garcia
Hi Hans, Here you have the patch.. Im using a core duo 2 2,16 GHz and UbuntuStudio 7.04. Im not worried about that high cpu usage, because with the values i said (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8) the movie is played veryveryvery fast, so maybe is something

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:11 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On my machine, I can run two of these on the CLI and get two GUIs: excuse my ignorance, but by CLI do you all mean _any_ terminal, or a special one? Yup, any shell.

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 29, 2008, at 10:05 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:08 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: but i really don't know mfga.sd IOhannes Dynamically linked libraries also trigger the GPL. For example, most yeah; i wanted to stress that

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-29 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/01/2008, at 9.11, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-extended interesting. any ideas why it does not work for steffen? I tried out Pd-0.41-0. Hans tried Pd-extended. Pd-0.41-0 is build by Miller. Pd-extended is

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: Miller is giving a keynote, so it seems it could be the Pd year at LAC. I'll be presenting the NY Times project that I recently worked on. Who else will be there? basically all the pd-people from graz ! LG Georg

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/01/2008, at 17.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Who else will be there? I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) Lovely artwork. Especially the poster. Kind of the same ascetics as the covers of

Re: [PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-29 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Just a guess... maybe allocating all that memory is forcing the OS to page other apps out. I can't discard that, but... Correct me if I am wrong: if that was the case, removing the [tabplay~]s shouldn't make a difference, should it? I removed the tabplay~s but the number of tables and size

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Andre Schmidt
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 18:06 +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: On 29/01/2008, at 17.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Who else will be there? I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) or:

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/01/2008, at 20.15, Andre Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 18:06 +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) or: |presenter|

Re: [PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-29 Thread Charles Henry
Another diagnostic idea: try comparing the behavior during loading with audio switched on and off. my guess is: if this is a memory issue, it won't make a difference if it's the computations involved with big #'s of tabplay~, then it will be faster with audio off Chuck On Jan 29, 2008 1:21 PM,

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: On 29/01/2008, at 17.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Who else will be there? I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) Lovely artwork.

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open

2008-01-29 Thread Michal Seta
I will be there with Andrée Préfontaine as well. See you there. ./MiS On Jan 29, 2008 11:10 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miller is giving a keynote, so it seems it could be the Pd year at LAC. I'll be presenting the NY Times project that I recently worked on. Who

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-29 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Haha this conversation is hilarious! Thanks for keeping it so lively everyone. I may be suffering from Csound-itis. I want vline~ to basically act like the linseg Csound opcode: kr linseg ia, idur1, ib[, idur2, ic[...]] Where each segment is defined as points in time connected by a

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-29 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 14:55 -0600, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: However, I don't think it's possible to make a playable ADSR generator with vline~ using only one message anyway. I think that it would still have to be somewhat hacked together using some triggers and delays etc like the ADSR example

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Haha this conversation is hilarious! Thanks for keeping it so lively everyone. I may be suffering from Csound-itis. I want vline~ to basically act like the linseg Csound opcode: kr linseg ia, idur1, ib[, idur2, ic[...]]

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-29 Thread Diego Azar
Hi, some years ago I made an abstraction that is only a line~ type envelope but you can send it an infinite message. Perhaps it is usefull for someone else. Diego Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-29 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:41:39AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: Interpereted works are not covered by the GPL, but linked code is. i cannot believe this. one of the gpl-faqs at fsf [1] is If a programming language interpreter has a license that is incompatible

Re: [PD] plugin~ problems (ladspa-linux) - strange behavior

2008-01-29 Thread glerm soares
2008/1/29, Jerome Tuncer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi glerm, This has already been discussed a a few times I think. It happened to me as well, the workaround I found at the time was to start pd with the unset LANG prepended i.e. : $ unset LANG $ ./pd Thanx a lot Jerome! It worked. :D But I

[PD] fun with telephone sounds

2008-01-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
For some reason, I just reproduced some standard telephone sounds in Pd... maybe these exist somewhere already, but I thought I'd post this for fun. dialtones.pd Description: Binary data .hc As we

Re: [PD] fun with telephone sounds

2008-01-29 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:25:35 -0500 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, I just reproduced some standard telephone sounds in Pd... maybe these exist somewhere already, but I thought I'd post this for fun. Hehe, nice. I think DTMFs have been on my site

Re: [PD] reverb for each grain

2008-01-29 Thread hard off
64 seperate reverbs is gonna be hard for any cpu, regardless of which reverb algorithm is used. may i suggest that an alternative is to send your grains through the same reverb, but to alter the amount of each grain that gets sent into the reverb. so, for example, grain 0 is sent 100% to the

Re: [PD] reverb for each grain

2008-01-29 Thread punchik punchik
thanks, but the idea is that each grain can have diferent reverb paramaters. using one reverb doent make to much sense to me... --- hard off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64 seperate reverbs is gonna be hard for any cpu, regardless of which reverb algorithm is used. may i suggest that an

Re: [PD] reverb for each grain

2008-01-29 Thread Charles Henry
It is an interesting idea... and 64 reverbs is too many, no matter how you do it. Derek's idea is great! I would just add to it, that you could use just a few voices to cover the range of different settings of re-verbs and pan the grains between the voices (effectively a linear interpolation

Re: [PD] reverb for each grain

2008-01-29 Thread hard off
well, as charles suggested, set up a few different reverbs of varying decay lengths, and send varying percentages of each grain to the different reverbs. also, reverb usually has a 'dampening' setting, which will dull the signal as it goes through, so another thing you can try is to mix in a

Re: [PD] reverb for each grain

2008-01-29 Thread Kevin McCoy
Not to mention, I hope you'll be showin' some clips of whatever you come up with... doing something like this is something I have had in mind for a while and I would love to hear the results you get! Are you thinking it can make the grain cloud more dimensional this way? That was the idea I had..