Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-27 Thread shift8
On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 05:54 +, padawan12 wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:55:39 -0700 shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spore, not seed - sry :) looks like eno's doing a procedural / generative sound track for it! Yeah I checked that out. It's procedural music, basically what we do

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-26 Thread Derek Holzer
Various versions of Extended on OS X, and AFAIK all PD versions on Windows, have trouble with the [~] object. It can be replaced with: [expr~ $v1 $v2] if there are two audio signals to be compared (as in a Pulse Width Modulation application of this), or: [expr~ $v1 1] in the case you

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-26 Thread Roman Haefeli
very diverse sound! i would be also very interested in the (are they 909?) kick and the clap. have you done them in pd? roman On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 17:37 +0200, Thomas Mayer wrote: hard off wrote: have you made a good oldschool pd synth? anything i make sounds like some roland groovebox

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-26 Thread Thomas Mayer
padawan12 wrote: Cool, that's an efficient PWM osc. It has a clean sound, more prophet than juno. What is svf~? svf~ is a state variable filter with a great implementation of resonance IMHO. cu Thomas -- Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective.

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Thomas Mayer hat gesagt: // Thomas Mayer wrote: padawan12 wrote: Cool, that's an efficient PWM osc. It has a clean sound, more prophet than juno. What is svf~? svf~ is a state variable filter with a great implementation of resonance IMHO. There are different versions, though. I

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-23 Thread padawan12
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:55:39 -0700 shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spore, not seed - sry :) looks like eno's doing a procedural / generative sound track for it! Yeah I checked that out. It's procedural music, basically what we do in puredata.

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-19 Thread shift8
spore, not seed - sry :) looks like eno's doing a procedural / generative sound track for it! http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/009261.php On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 16:49 -0700, shift8 wrote: my interests here are developments like the Seed game prototype, the concept of

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, shift8 hat gesagt: // shift8 wrote: A personal favourite of mine then is F.R. Moore's Elements of Computer Music, but it doesn't fit your description. But I come back to it again and again, while my CMT is collecting dust. ok, but i'm intrigued - i've almost always been a fan of

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread padawan12
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:56:46 -0400 Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/16/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:54:40 -0700 shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Chuckk and some of the other mathematicians have said here, some esoteric pure math like

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: Not more than the others. But Elements is *the* classic textbook on computer music, everything - Dodges/Jerse, Roads - else came afterwards Ah, sorry, I got that wrong: The first edition of the Dogde/Jerse is older than Elements of

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Steffen
On 16/03/2007, at 22.26, padawan12 wrote: One k too many, I meant t'other Charlie :) I'm sure C.Henry once said there was something to be said for looking at operator theory, maybe I totally misunderstood because thats well beyond me. You might think of this email:

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 3/16/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:56:46 -0400 Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/16/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Chuckk and some of the other mathematicians have said here, some esoteric pure math like operator theory subsumes

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Nice pun! ~Kyle On 3/16/07, Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might have been smoother if I had distributed the beer more uniformly across the 10 minutes I took to drink it. Or I could have used a smaller hop size to get more gradual changes. -- http://theradioproject.com

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread padawan12
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:06:37 -0400 Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What what was? The Csound opcode? No the book on stats for music applications. I do think of it as overkill for synthesis purposes, but people use Csound for lots of other purposes. I guess for algorithmic

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 3/17/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:06:37 -0400 Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What what was? The Csound opcode? No the book on stats for music applications. Alas, it is merely a probability textbook with a little more detail than the one we're

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Would you please be willing to share some examples of using the CSound external with Pd? I have it, but have not really done much with it. ~Kyle On 3/16/07, Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/17/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:06:37 -0400 Chuckk

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
I'm always embarrassed to share my patches, as I'm not much of a programmer and they tend to be really haphazard. So far I've mostly used it to get a feel for Csound opcodes, and of course to have better GUI control. I have one for grain3 and one for testing different filter opcodes. Careful

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-16 Thread Michal Seta
shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sounds perfect - amazon i presume? cc would be dope tho... If you're on a budget you can always try http://www.abebooks.com. ./MiS ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread Steffen
On 15/03/2007, at 16.24, padawan12 wrote: I thought [lowpass] and [highpass] were vanilla. I found them in externals/ggee/filters/. They are in 0.39.2-extended- test7 as fx [ggee/highpass~] or after [import ggee]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
dude - you are a ninja. uhm, i mean, a jedi. seriously - i want to emulate you a bit when i grow up ;P that said, what resources would you recommend that illustrate calculus as used for signal processing, but from a more functional point of view as opposed to a theoretical one. i know there are

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread Thomas Jeppesen
, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths dude - you are a ninja. uhm, i mean, a jedi. seriously - i want to emulate you a bit when i grow up ;P that said, what resources would you recommend that illustrate calculus as used for signal processing, but from a more functional point

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, shift8 hat gesagt: // shift8 wrote: are there any resources, books, etc out that approach the subject of dsp in a style like this? I think, without some abstraction (sic!) one wouldn't get far with Pd. It's just not a tool for ignoring certain rather abstract issues. But I don't think

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread Steffen
On 15/03/2007, at 14.54, shift8 wrote: are there any resources, books, etc out that approach the subject of dsp in a style like this? There is also Music: a Mathematical Offering by Dave Benson URL: http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/html/maths-music.html There is a free and regularly

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread Derek Holzer
Funny, I tend to recommend two books to people: the Dodge/Jerse one for those who aren't mathematical (like myself), and the Roads one (the CMT) for those who are. Keeping in mind that whole chapters of the revised Dodge/Jerse--basically all the chapters on anything which are contemporary like

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
] To: padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pd-list@iem.at; Josh Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths dude - you are a ninja. uhm, i mean, a jedi. seriously - i want to emulate you a bit when i grow up ;P

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 20:45 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, shift8 hat gesagt: // shift8 wrote: are there any resources, books, etc out that approach the subject of dsp in a style like this? I think, without some abstraction (sic!) one wouldn't get far with Pd. heh :) It's just

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
excellent lead - thanks! i love this list :) On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 21:43 +0100, Steffen wrote: On 15/03/2007, at 14.54, shift8 wrote: are there any resources, books, etc out that approach the subject of dsp in a style like this? There is also Music: a Mathematical Offering by

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pd-list@iem.at; Josh Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths dude - you are a ninja. uhm, i mean, a jedi. seriously - i want to emulate you a bit when i grow up ;P that said

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 08:26 +, padawan12 wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:54:40 -0700 shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what resources would you recommend that illustrate calculus as used for signal processing, but from a more functional point of view as opposed to a theoretical one.

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread shift8
wow - super big ups for all of the responses on this. thanks every one. don't want to gush, but damn community knowledge++ !! -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread padawan12
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:26:15 +0100 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. but there's always the JO Smith's website for the formulas. Ah yes for more advanced, Julius Smith physical modelling guru http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/index.html Dave Bensons (with the free pdf of his

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread padawan12
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:49:13 -0700 shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: truly - i've learned so much from pd, the help docs (brilliantly implemented in pd themselves), and all of the rocking folks that share Yeah, massive community bigup, it's really coming together now. You don't realise the

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-15 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 3/16/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:54:40 -0700 shift8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Chuckk and some of the other mathematicians have said here, some esoteric pure math like operator theory subsumes the whole subject, because Wait, what? I wish I was a

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-14 Thread padawan12
[pow~] is from cyclone, I think in the case I used it (pow 2) you can replace it with an equivilent [expr~] expression or [*~]. I thought [lowpass] and [highpass] were vanilla. They are needed to set the coeffs for biquad~ On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:49:29 -0800 Josh Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-13 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
That synth is sick. Reminds me of my days idolizing Ed Rush and Optical. ~Kyle On 3/13/07, padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno if you can make this into anything useful. It's very nasty. twin vari-slope triangle - chebyshev waveshaper - formant ^

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-13 Thread hard off
Juno is a pwm + saw + square mix, with the ooh la la! perfect. cheers. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-12 Thread hard off
have you made a good oldschool pd synth? anything i make sounds like some roland groovebox from the 90's. anyone got any cool old rave sounds? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-12 Thread Steffen
On 12/03/2007, at 11.56, hard off wrote: have you made a good oldschool pd synth? anything i make sounds like some roland groovebox from the 90's. Frank's got a 303 thingy, http://footils.org/cms/show/19 I'd be surprised if Andy doesn't have some oldtech sounding stuff about.

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-12 Thread hard off
andy's tokyo techno one is cool. but i want hoovers. i keep try to make them and they always suck. there must have been a secret ingredient that i am forgetting. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

2007-03-12 Thread padawan12
Dunno if you can make this into anything useful. It's very nasty. twin vari-slope triangle - chebyshev waveshaper - formant ^ | |_ FM feedback | I was trying to get something like a virus sound for a mate who is into jungle.