Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-18 Thread hard off
so are we going to go ahead with this? does anyone want to volunteer to set up a wiki? i'm terrible at any of that sort of thing. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, danomatika hat gesagt: // danomatika wrote: So rc-chorus~_ is a regular object and rc-chorus~ is a gui wrapper with SSSAD. So if you want SSSAD you use the gui. I wouldn't put the sssad objects in the version with GUI. IMO It's more useful to have them in the engine objects, e.g. for

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Enrique Erne
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, danomatika hat gesagt: // danomatika wrote: So rc-chorus~_ is a regular object and rc-chorus~ is a gui wrapper with SSSAD. So if you want SSSAD you use the gui. I wouldn't put the sssad objects in the version with GUI. IMO It's more useful to have them in the

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Enrique Erne
i had a look at rjlib. it's a beautiful collection. i love the fact that it is not too big and not using any external. though why is there a u_sssad.pd it seems the same as the original sssad.pd frank didn't you say once you would prefer that people don't include their own copy of sssad?

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Enrique Erne hat gesagt: // Enrique Erne wrote: i had a look at rjlib. it's a beautiful collection. i love the fact that it is not too big and not using any external. though why is there a u_sssad.pd it seems the same as the original sssad.pd frank didn't you say once you would

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:49:11 -0500 Luke Iannini lukex...@gmail.com wrote: - for hierarchies, as Miller and Frank and many others seem to do (e.g. $0-foobar-baz, and as part of pd itself: [s pd-mysubpatch]) _ as space, e.g. [receive a_certain_frob] How do we feel about the use of actual

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: How do we feel about the use of actual whitespace, particularly in inlet and outlet boxes. I generally use - and _ as hierarchy and spacing delimiters as per convention, but when it comes to inlets and outlets I often say [outlet patch

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-17 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Yes! rjlib is really nice! I finally tried using svn, it's really simple...I guess I was intimidated by nothing. svn checkout http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/ So simple! But really, kudos on such a beautiful, minimal, functional, cohesive library. ~Kyle On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM,

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-16 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly. i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. that was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the abstractions was tied in with the gui

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-16 Thread danomatika
yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly. i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. that was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the abstractions was tied in with the gui

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
There are lots of great ideas in all of those libraries, and I think Pd would be really well served having a big grand unified collection of libraries. But I think that we don't really know well enough how to do the whole thing right. So we really should think of this as some stepping

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-15 Thread hard off
But I think that we don't really know well enough how to do the whole thing right i have good experience in doing a library wrong. :) i can at least point out the flaws in that so they don't get repeated. none of the libraries are very good general all-purpose toolkits though, in my opinion.

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-15 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: none of the libraries are very good general all-purpose toolkits though, in my opinion. i guess that's mainly because none of them have really been designed as general toolkits. there is heaps of good stuff in rjdj, but it's all for the phone,

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-15 Thread Ed Kelly
: Synchromatic: Out December 1st 2008 http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com/store Also available through the iTunes store --- On Sun, 15/3/09, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-15 Thread hard off
yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly. i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. that was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way because i didn't want to

[PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-14 Thread danomatika
Count me in ... I think we just need to make a wiki page and all agree on patching conventions as well as who can/should do what ... oh and mailing lists? My patches are focused on allowing me to playback midi files to run a drum machine, live effects for guitar and vocals, generative or

Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!

2009-03-14 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Maybe take a vote and see what convention is most popular: pdmtl, s-abstractions, rjlib, netpd, or others I am not remembering. Then, figure out which items from other libraries should be ported first to this convention. Next, give this library a special status within Pd-extended so that people