Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-07 Thread Ben Baker-Smith
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: > > I think the point was simply that Miller deserves credit for his essential >> contributions to pd. I don't think this is the place to discuss your >> problems with SLOC and COCOMO. >> > > A p

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, David Schaffer wrote: My original question was: how to build graphical user interfaces for pd patches that would look more like standard software Here's an example for you. Here is the serveur.pd patch, which you will start first : #N canvas 0 0 450 300 10; #X obj 7 5 ne

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-06 Thread David Schaffer
The funny thing is that I started this thread a couple of days ago and these last posts about "SLOC" and "COCOMO" are totally cryptic to me!!! My original question was: how to build graphical user interfaces for pd patches that would look more like standard software and be less "disturbin

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I think the point was simply that Miller deserves credit for his essential contributions to pd. I don't think this is the place to discuss your problems with SLOC and COCOMO. A point worth making, is a point worth making with a good support. If the

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-06 Thread Ben Baker-Smith
I think the point was simply that Miller deserves credit for his essential contributions to pd. I don't think this is the place to discuss your problems with SLOC and COCOMO. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com > I have no idea. I just meant that if anyone deserves to be cooked meals >

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-05 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010, chrism wrote: I have no idea. I just meant that if anyone deserves to be cooked meals because of Pd related things, then it's Miller. That is a lot of lines of source code (only 25,000 of them are portaudio/portmidi). First of all, if you consider portaudio and portmidi li

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-05 Thread João Pais
can you put a better guide somewhere on how to do these things? when you say "check out the code" it's something any of you guys do with your eyes closed, and it takes me almost 1h to understand why anything is working. I also don't know what is a diff. Good idea. Sorry for my presumption.

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-04 Thread chrism
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:20:23 +0200, João Pais wrote: >>> unfortunately I can only code in Pd. if you lived near me I could >>> cook for you :) or something. >> >> I won't be in Berlin for a while, otherwise I would be up for that! >> Better to cook Miller something huge and delicious instead thou

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-01 Thread João Pais
unfortunately I can only code in Pd. if you lived near me I could cook for you :) or something. I won't be in Berlin for a while, otherwise I would be up for that! Better to cook Miller something huge and delicious instead though... is he here? PS If you want to help by making patches then

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-01 Thread chrism
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:06:47 +0200, João Pais wrote: >>> And he would need help too. >>> >> Yep, exactly, Marco. >> >> I have not worked on it much lately as I've been busy with other >> software. Definitely no deadlines. > > unfortunately I can only code in Pd. if you lived near me I could > coo

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-07-01 Thread João Pais
And he would need help too. Yep, exactly, Marco. I have not worked on it much lately as I've been busy with other software. Definitely no deadlines. unfortunately I can only code in Pd. if you lived near me I could cook for you :) or something.

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
You can do quite a bit with the GUI objects in Pd-extended. Here are some to try: button ticker entry canvas_name window_name .hc On Jun 29, 2010, at 4:48 PM, David Schaffer wrote: Hi, Is there anyone out there who could teach me how to make good looking stand alone pd apps, I mea

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread chrism
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:35:43 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > Chris McCormick is working on it, alone as far as I know. > (Don't want to talk for Chris) but it seems to me he's interested in porting > oniy pd-vanilla tilde objects. > > And he would need help too. > > Anyway he published some use

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread chrism
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:30 +, David Schaffer wrote: > Is there anyone out there who could teach me how to make good > looking stand alone pd apps, I mean pd patches with a nice looking GUI > on top that would play on any computer even without pd installed. I > saw this guy the other day

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread András Murányi
2010/6/30 IOhannes m zmoelnig > On 2010-06-30 12:50, András Murányi wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a > patch > >> I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Bernardo Barros
I think this whole thing just does not sound like free (as in freedom) software anyway. I don´t understand why max patchers always want to hide their code. I think PD programmers should try to make their code as redable as possible. 2010/6/30 Michal Seta : > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Mike

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Pedro Lopes
It requires a JavaVM of course (its..java) Wether your distro offers that or not, you can install it. Processing is JavaVM-dependent and not OS-dependent since java is available for almost everything. :) That was my point. I think I have used processing with other VMs (icedtea, openJDK, ...) but

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Michal Seta
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote: > Processing (i don't like to type it with 55 =P but I know its the > original...) Actually, a few years ago the project has deliberately switched to the non-l33t spelling of the name of the project so "Proce55ing" and "Processing" are 2 differe

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Michal Seta
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: > I've always thought that what Max considers standalones is kind of shady. > They're just the patch and Max Runtime bundled together. There are 2 ways of distributing patches to those who do not own Max (or in order to make it more diffic

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Pedro Lopes
Processing (i don't like to type it with 55 =P but I know its the original...) is completly transparent to OS. It works normally with Linux, just grab it and launch it. Its java... so its JavaVM and OS-independent. I have used processing with Pd, currently I'm using AS3 because its faster for me..

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: I've always thought that what Max considers standalones is kind of shady. They're just the patch and Max Runtime bundled together. The only difference is that the patch(es) used are put together in a single file (which Max calls a collective, but an

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Bernardo Barros
You can use SwingOSC: http://sourceforge.net/projects/swingosc/ You can build java GUI and control with osc messages. It is weel integrated from inside the SuperCollider language, but it is reported to work weel with PD also. 2010/6/30 András Murányi : > The 909 emulation was nice, but i couldn't

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Chris McCormick is working on it, alone as far as I know. (Don't want to talk for Chris) but it seems to me he's interested in porting oniy pd-vanilla tilde objects. And he would need help too. Anyway he published some useful guidelines and I think it shouldn't be difficult for someone knowing Ja

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread András Murányi
2010/6/30 IOhannes m zmoelnig > On 2010-06-30 12:50, András Murányi wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a > patch > >> I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread João Pais
> Web-Pd is a project i'm very interested in - when it gets vanilla > functionality, we'll have a chance to fabricate wonderful GUIs while staying > in the browser, which means staying platform-independent (eventually > browser-independent too). > are you the one doing this work? do you have any d

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-30 12:50, András Murányi wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer > wrote: > >> >> >> >> I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a patch >> I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation and looked very >> professionnal. It's basically wh

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread András Murányi
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer wrote: > > > > I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a patch > I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation and looked very > professionnal. It's basically what I'm trying to do: building pd patches > (like improv

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-30 Thread David Schaffer
I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a patch I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation and looked very professionnal. It's basically what I'm trying to do: building pd patches (like improved media players, virtual FX racks, video dispatchers...) that

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-29 Thread Mike Moser-Booth
I've always thought that what Max considers standalones is kind of shady. They're just the patch and Max Runtime bundled together. The only difference is that the patch(es) used are put together in a single file (which Max calls a collective, but anyone with Max can open on their own and edit)

Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-29 Thread quietdidit
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[PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question

2010-06-29 Thread David Schaffer
Hi, Is there anyone out there who could teach me how to make good looking stand alone pd apps, I mean pd patches with a nice looking GUI on top that would play on any computer even without pd installed. I saw this guy the other day with his max based lighting board stand alone app. and