Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-14 Thread Christof Ressi
You're right. I'm gonna do that in the next couple of days. > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2015 um 23:31 Uhr > Von: "IOhannes m zmölnig" > An: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Betreff: Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping > subpatches) &

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-13 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 09/13/2015 10:19 AM, Christof Ressi wrote: > I just discovered that there > isn't even any helpfile for [samplerate~] in Pd Vanilla! I'll write a bug > report > asking for a helpfile which also mentions the 'wrong' samplerate in > subpatches > with oversampling. or even better: write a bug

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-13 Thread Christof Ressi
Torres Porres" An: "Christof Ressi" , "pd-list@lists.iem.at" Betreff: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches) > But [vd~] itself does nothing regarding to overlap and that's  > very important to understa

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-12 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
tion for oscillators and ramps could be done internally in > the objects, but then this might lead to other weird behaviour instead so > it's kind of a trade off. Again, I think this is just an issue of proper > documentation! > > Cheers > > > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 11. Sep

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-11 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
aranteed. >> >> 3) This is just as messed up as I predicted, because you're simply >> 'reading along' the 'weird' delay line above. :-) >> >> Don't worry, it took me some time to figure this all out, because this is >> nowhere documen

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-11 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
ows implicitely from the > behaviour of overlapping subpatches (which is also not documented properly > at all... the oversampling and sequential calculation should be mentioned > in the helpfile of [block~] at least --> possible bug fix?) > > Tell me if that makes sense to you

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-11 Thread Christof Ressi
ems... :-p   Cheers   Gesendet: Freitag, 11. September 2015 um 12:18 Uhr Von: "Christof Ressi" An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" Cc: Pd-List Betreff: Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches) Luckily I can offer you (hopefully) clear explana

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-11 Thread Christof Ressi
tlet.   The oversampling is the only reason for all the corrections you had to do in you patch. I attached a copy where I made some comments. I hope this helps. If you have any more questions you can ask me.   Cheers                   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. September 2015 um 23:00 Uh

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
ly reason for all the corrections you had to do > in you patch. I attached a copy where I made some comments. I hope this > helps. If you have any more questions you can ask me. > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 10. September 2015 um 23:00 U

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Christof Ressi
 Donnerstag, 10. September 2015 um 23:00 Uhr Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" An: "Christof Ressi" Cc: Pd-List Betreff: Re: Re: Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches) naaah, yeah, they're different.. oops... but doesn't really

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
gt;> of all this. In that case the confusion might arise from the fact that you >>> have to consider the relation between the 'speed' of the delay line >>> (depending on the sample rate of the subpatch containing the [delwrite~]) >>> and the 'speed' of the o

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
on these points! >> >> For me its sometimes a trial and error game to find all those parameters >> which have to be divided/multiplied by the overlap factor. But after a >> while of thinking everything turns out to make sense. >> Delaying the back window [z~] is a rather

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Christof Ressi
his behaviour than I don't know what else we could've missed...   Cheers Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. September 2015 um 18:10 Uhr Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" An: "Christof Ressi" Cc: Pd-List Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlap

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
and it won't give > accurate results each time you change the pitch shifting factor, but after > one fft-window it settles. The question is if you can actually here this > error. When I find some time I'll make a comparison between our both > solutions. > > Cheers,

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-10 Thread Christof Ressi
ally here this error. When I find some time I'll make a comparison between our both solutions.   Cheers, Christof         Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. September 2015 um 07:51 Uhr Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" An: "Christof Ressi" Cc: Pd-List , "Gerd Schuller"

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-09 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
>>> unlike [osc~], [vd~] will get the continuities between blocks right!" > You can't really compare these two objects. Sure I can :) i'll insist on it by the way. Again, [vd~] will not generate discontinuities with the overlaps, unlike other objects such as [osc~] and [phasor~]. Moreover, and as

Re: [PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-09 Thread Christof Ressi
Hi Alexandre,   I'm new on this list, but I think I can help you on this because recently I tried to do the same thing. I can't fully test your patch because I'm missing the cyclone library (and don't bother to install it :-p).  I try to give an answer to the following questions:   "Other issue

[PD] weird behavior of [vd~] in phave vocoder (overlapping subpatches)

2015-09-07 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Dear list, long ago I made a live sampler where you can start recording into an array and right away start phase vocoding on the fly - based on the "I07" example, so I was using a regular buffer/array. So I wanted to make it run with a circular buffer, and once in january 2012, someone here on the