Thanks Christine. Of course, I already had my answer to that question, but I
liked the idea of having a female opinion on the topic.
Dario
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On Nov 25, 2
Ditto. No No No.
The tradeoffs of a B&W camera are highly unfavorable. Only people unease
with computers & software can prefer the minor advantage of a B&W sensor
over the sensible advantages of doing B&W conversions as they like.
Look at Leica: the M with its 24 MP color sensor features higher
on 2013-11-27 14:28 Igor Roshchin wrote
Now, the lower capacity means that I would be caring around a battery
that is as heavy but not as capable.
well, they've arrived and are 75g (one gram lighter than my Pentax battery),
but thanks for pointing out the capacity difference; at the price, and
You know what else doesn't work at -9°F?
My central nervous system!
-- Walt
On 11/29/2013 6:43 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Up in the White mountains of New Hampshire doing a bit of hiking. Way
up on the mountain today it was sunny but windy and *very* cold. I
thought the SDM on my ancient and much
On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:14 am, John wrote:
> I'm still not seeing photo.net advertising around it.
>
> I did finally figure out that if I scroll down far enough below the image
> there's links to other photo.net content.
>
> Is that the advertising you're talking about?
They put a banner ad jus
That's a very nice set, Godfrey, and I love the way you've displayed the set.
Cheers, Christine
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> My friends hosted a fine dinner for yesterday's holiday. Wonderful time!
>
> I photographed the event with both the Olympus E-M1 and the
> On Nov 25, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "Dario Bonazza"
> wrote:
>
> So of the PDML gals...
>
> Let's put it this way:
>
> Girl, if one day you'll agree to take pictures of a naked human being and
> want to do a great picture (hence not just the one most appealing to you for
> genre reasons) would
omg it's Saskwach!
ann
On 11/29/2013 21:46, Mark Roberts wrote:
Me and Dr. Lisa on the mountain cold-testing the camera gear.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gr+lt.jpg
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Looks like one of those famous "...and this is the last picture of the
Massachusetts couple alive before the Tornado-Blizzard-Superstorm hit
the White Mountains. They have yet to be found, but the camera was
located in neighbouring Vermont and, apart from some scratches, was
intact and in full work
Adobe is simply incompetent, by any measure.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:03 PM, steve harley wrote:
> on 2013-11-28 18:43 John wrote
>>
>> Went to update PhotoShop CS6 Extended that I paid $400 for the update, and
>> they've forced a pa
Miserere wrote:
>What temp range is the lens spec'd for?
Good question. I seem to recall that the camera's rated down to -15°C,
and we were well below that (about -23°C). The K-5 never missed a
beat.
>Try the Sahara next to find an upper limit :-)
You first.
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>on 2013-11-28 18:43 John wrote
>> Went to update PhotoShop CS6 Extended that I paid $400 for the update, and
>> they've forced a password change, and now I can't get into the update server.
>>
>> ASSHOLES!
>
>this is because Adobe was hacked and their password file, which was
Embarrassingly, I briefly lost my FA 20mm f/2.8 this afternoon. Now
that I've found it again, I'm downgrading its external condition to an
8 due to some scuffs on the barrel; nothing that affects its physical
integrity. Front cap is original Pentax, rear cap generic. I also have
(and always have ha
Pulled out a box from the closet and am doing some early Spring
Cleaning to get funds for upcoming purchases. Some of these are
difficult sales for me, but hopefully they'll go to a good home.
Scores are out of 10.
Auto Focus:
- FA 50mm f/1.4 - $225
External: 9
Optics: 9.9
Includes: Original box
Besides, it only takes a few minutes with the tools that they sent to all
account holders to re-establish your password and have access again.
Godfrey
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 5:03 PM, steve harley wrote:
>
> on 2013-11-28 18:43 John wrote
>> Went to update PhotoShop CS6 Extended that I paid $40
on 2013-11-28 18:43 John wrote
Went to update PhotoShop CS6 Extended that I paid $400 for the update, and
they've forced a password change, and now I can't get into the update server.
ASSHOLES!
this is because Adobe was hacked and their password file, which wasn't properly
encrypted, was post
What temp range is the lens spec'd for?
Try the Sahara next to find an upper limit :-)
Cheers,
—M.
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On 29 November 2013 19:43, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Up in the White mo
Up in the White mountains of New Hampshire doing a bit of hiking. Way
up on the mountain today it was sunny but windy and *very* cold. I
thought the SDM on my ancient and much abused 16-50/2.8 had given out
and went through the day on manual focus. At the end of the day (upon
return to reasonable t
My friends hosted a fine dinner for yesterday's holiday. Wonderful time!
I photographed the event with both the Olympus E-M1 and the Polaroid Spectra.
Here are the photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157638190744913/
A wonderful day, great folks, fantastic food… :-)
Godfrey
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ann
On 11/29/2013 13:03, Don Guthrie wrote:
Thanks Frank, No great Lakes around here, so we make do.
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:39:03 -0500
From: knarf
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Over the river 2013
Message-ID: <69bd5ba7-2969-43d3-aa23-58162029c...@ema
hmm...
Well-done hamburger meat?
Jostein
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From: knarf
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 4:23 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO - Only in Canada
They're probably made in China these days, but still, can you buy these at
the corner store where you live?
Very nice photo.
Didn't quite get the text tho'. You mean that game where they run around
with an oblong ball and attribute it to the bodypart that's actually least
in touch with it? Never got the hang of that stuff really... :-)
Jostein
-Opprinnelig melding-
From: Don Guthrie
Sen
Certainly stands its ground, this one.
Good photo.
Jostein
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From: knarf
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:53 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO - Dark, Snowy Commute
Taken and originally posted several years ago, since we're having rather
wintry weath
Ditto what Ann said. The cyclist is a tad too indistinct, but overall
an all too familiar scene I can relate to.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> ditto - and .. Theraultian blur! :-)
> ann
>
>
> On 11/29/2013 11:55, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> Great mood, nice composition.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:01:56PM -0500, Zos Xavius wrote:
> Would you buy it? There would be a lot to gain in resolution and
> sensitivity by eliminating the color filter. Big bonuses if you tend
> to shoot in black and white a great deal anyways. I realize the
> downsides of having to use filter
One of the things that truly entrances me about this photo is the exquisite
balance of light and shadow, detail and softness, and the beautiful look of the
grain—how it all, together, contributes to the whole of the figure and setting.
Truly a wonderful piece. I look at it often as I consider wh
Would I buy it? No. For some reason, the notion of an SLR system camera that is
monochrome only does not appeal to me at all.
I do, however, consider the possibility of trading my Leica M9 (and some
frighteningly large chunk of cash) for a Leica M Monochrom, however.
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Zos Xavius wrote:
>Would you buy it?
Of course not.
One of the benefits of shooting B&W film is being able to change
between different films with different spectral responses. Buying a
camera that was B&W only would be like locking yourself into, say,
Ilford FP4, and never being able to use any
Thanks Paul, at least the sun was shinning that day. Today is gloomy but
not dramatic enough for shooting.
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Looks like the light was pretty harsh. Still I am a fan of the subject
matter so I like it.
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:22:59 -0500
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Thanks Dan, in every season that view never disappoints.
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Lovely col
On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM, John wrote:
>> On 11/29/2013 12:01 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>>
>>> Would you buy it?
>>
>> No.
>
> Likewise.
And likewise for me as well. Although I work almost entirely in B&W, the
conversion tools in ACR a
In looking at some more examples, it seems that removing the AA filter
offers the most benefit, while removing the CFA offers only marginal
improvements, though there are gains to be had for astrophotographers.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM
Gobble gobble gobble
ann
On 11/29/2013 10:22, Christine Aguila wrote:
Same to you, Paul! And a Happy T-day to all. Sorry I’m a little late—bit of a
rush yesterday with cooking and all.
In the interest of balance, I thought about doing some nudes of our
Thanksgiving Tom, but I couldn’t find
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM, John wrote:
> On 11/29/2013 12:01 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> Would you buy it?
>
> No.
Likewise.
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When I liked to this in facebook I couldn't see anything but the lights
on the road... linking from your post here directly to alunfoto it
blossomed... made all the difference...
Another familiar scene - except wasn't looking at it at night.
ann
On 11/29/2013 10:53, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
No
ditto - and .. Theraultian blur! :-)
ann
On 11/29/2013 11:55, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Great mood, nice composition.
Paul via phone
On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I really like this shot, Frank. It reminds me of my 10-mile bicycle commute to
an evening shift job when we live
Would I buy it? No.
I'm afraid the market would be too small for such a beast.
But given that
" what will you do with all the extra rez?"
That is what we B&W film people make the most use of.
All that detail on the neg just waiting to be burned in.
It's the texture of
Well, Frank, now you've gone and reminded me of a favorite old song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n6mV51seb8
:)
On 11/29/2013 9:44 AM, knarf wrote:
Poor Tom.
He gave his life so that you might enjoy Thanksgiving.
What a guy!
;-)
Cheers,
frank
Christine Aguila wrote:
Same to you, Pau
On 11/29/2013 12:01 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
Would you buy it?
No.
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I'm still not seeing photo.net advertising around it.
I did finally figure out that if I scroll down far enough below the
image there's links to other photo.net content.
Is that the advertising you're talking about?
On 11/29/2013 10:55 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Very nice picture. Wish ther
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:58 PM, CollinB wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157638179803513/
>
> I smoke the turkey every year. (Hence the pink edge.) More tasty than deep
> frying or baking.
> We just bought a breast section and 2 drumsticks. Much less to deal with
> afte
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:47 PM, knarf wrote:
> Hockey pucks.
>
> Hard rubber discs bashed around an icy surface by brutish men wearing blades
> on their feet, wielding sticks.
>
> I've never tasted them but I doubt they're sweet.
>
> LOL.
>
> cheers,
> frank
Heh, I don't know why I was thinkin
Some questions for you:
* Assuming you gain sensitivity by using a monochrome sensor, then
you would lose it by placing a coloured filter in front of it.
* So what have you gained in the end? The K-3 already seems to have
plenty of resolution; what will you do with all the extra rez?
* What len
Very nice.
Paul via phone
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>
> Thanks Frank, No great Lakes around here, so we make do.
>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:39:03 -0500
>> From: knarf
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Over the river 2013
>> Message-ID:
Thanks Frank, No great Lakes around here, so we make do.
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Wow
Glad you liked it Jack, it is supposed to get to 32 today.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:16:28 -0800 (PST)
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Rick I agree with Bruce on this one. I also think the mix of color is
effective here. But they are both excellent little Fall photos.
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Ditto what Paul said.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: Re: PESO - Dark, Snowy Commute
Great mood, nice composition.
Paul via phone
On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I really like t
Would you buy it? There would be a lot to gain in resolution and
sensitivity by eliminating the color filter. Big bonuses if you tend
to shoot in black and white a great deal anyways. I realize the
downsides of having to use filters just like the old days, but really
I'm ok with that personally. Pl
Great mood, nice composition.
Paul via phone
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
>
> I really like this shot, Frank. It reminds me of my 10-mile bicycle commute
> to an evening shift job when we lived in Rochester. Not much fun. I bought
> a car as soon as funds permitted.
>
I really like this shot, Frank. It reminds me of my 10-mile bicycle commute to
an evening shift job when we lived in Rochester. Not much fun. I bought a car
as soon as funds permitted.
Rick
On Nov 29, 2013, at 05:53 , knarf wrote:
> Taken and originally posted several years ago, since we're
Thanks, Godfrey. I agree with you about the photo.net ads. For a while I was
posting a direct link to the image as well (gallery/photo.net…), but for some
reason the PDML server started rejecting messages containing that link.
Someday maybe I'll reconfigure all my email and photo site… but it
The K-5 IIs vs D7100 review was great and sad. Especially the part
where Lok pleads with Ricoh for more advertising. They really do have
a love for pentax. The K-5 IIs stomped the D7100 in low light too. It
didn't even need the focus assist light. Kai really does know a good
bit. The strobist wrote
Paul,
That's a marvelous turkey.
I'm sending copies out to wife & daughter.
Thanks, Bob S.
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> Happy Hanukkah!!
>
> And for all who celebrate both...
>
> http://studio1941.com/images/menurkey2a.jpg
>
> -p
>
> On 11/28/20
Beautiful! Cheers, Christine
On Nov 28, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/utah-sr-9.html
>
> Still from Zion, had 36 rather productive hours there.
>
> A four minutes’ exposure, just after sunset.
>
> Jostein
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That is beautiful, Godfrey! Thanks for sharing! I once flirted with idea of
photographing athletes in action with lighting similar to the lighting in the
photo below—lighting which would highlight the exertion of the muscles of the
body in play—say a basketball player striving for a slam dunk
IMO, all internet reviews should be seen purely for the entertainment value. On
that score, Kai does well. But there are times when he's either playing too
dumb or his opinions are so far off base (relative to my own, of course… :-))
that I drop a viewing as a waste of time.
That said, Digital
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157638179803513/
I smoke the turkey every year. (Hence the pink edge.) More tasty than deep
frying or baking.
We just bought a breast section and 2 drumsticks. Much less to deal with
afterward.
Wife sets a nice table.
Much to be thankful for apart
Like it! I could wish for just a pinch more exposure on the bicyclist, but it's
effective as is.
G
HH!
On Nov 29, 2013, at 2:53 AM, knarf wrote:
> Taken and originally posted several years ago, since we're having rather
> wintry weather of late I thought I'd post it again:
>
> http://mondo
Very nice picture. Wish there was a mode to view it without all the photo.net
advertising crap around it tho.
G
On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17613483
>
> (K-5, FA 24-90)
>
> Comments?
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Now that one's just lovely Jostein!
G
On Nov 28, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/utah-sr-9.html
>
> Still from Zion, had 36 rather productive hours there.
>
> A four minutes’ exposure, just after sunset.
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I knew there was something missing on my grocery list!
G
On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:23 PM, knarf wrote:
> They're probably made in China these days, but still, can you buy these at
> the corner store where you live?
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/only-in-canada.html?m=1
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Hockey pucks.
Hard rubber discs bashed around an icy surface by brutish men wearing blades on
their feet, wielding sticks.
I've never tasted them but I doubt they're sweet.
LOL.
cheers,
frank
Attila Boros wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:23 AM, knarf
>wrote:
>
>> They're probably made in
Poor Tom.
He gave his life so that you might enjoy Thanksgiving.
What a guy!
;-)
Cheers,
frank
Christine Aguila wrote:
>Same to you, Paul! And a Happy T-day to all. Sorry I’m a little
>late—bit of a rush yesterday with cooking and all.
>
>In the interest of balance, I thought about doing so
http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/files/cat/camsec/solutions/E_CMOS_Sensor_WP_110427.pdf
See page 5. It seems that they are doing further noise reduction in
hardware after they convert to digital. Verrry interesting!
There might be more to the theory that the chip is doing this before
the im
Jostein, I really like the winding light trail; but I think the surrounding
landscape could use a bit more exposure. Its darkness and texture almost make
it look like noise.
Rick
On Nov 28, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/utah-sr-9.html
Larry,
If what falconeyes is suggesting is correct, it looks like the
firmware is actually manipulating the data. From what I understand,
these chips quickly read out all their raw data to the imaging
processor which interprets the data and applies whatever they have
cooked up in the firmware to m
Thanks Paul, Bruce, Frank, Attila, and Brian. Maybe sometime the intense
backlit color of #1 and the compositional opportunities of #2 will converge!
Cheers,
Rick
On Nov 29, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
> Quoting Rick Womer :
>
>> We planted a red maple in front of our house 2 seas
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17613483
(K-5, FA 24-90)
Comments?
Rick
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Same to you, Paul! And a Happy T-day to all. Sorry I’m a little late—bit of a
rush yesterday with cooking and all.
In the interest of balance, I thought about doing some nudes of our
Thanksgiving Tom, but I couldn’t find aesthetically pleasing lines and forms,
and since it’s been so cold, our
Lovely color, and I love the shape of the river from the vantage point
you selected.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Attila Boros wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>
>> Do children even sing that little di
I love the way you captured the snow, and the darkness of th image
enhances the feeling of frigidity.
Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:53 AM, knarf wrote:
> Taken and originally posted several years ago, since we're having rather
> wintry w
Where's the equity in that? You should be posting a sunny scene!
Alan C
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Subject: PESO - Dark, Snowy Commute
Taken and originally posted several years ago, since we're having rather
wi
Very pretty. Love the composition, beautiful colours.
Cheers,
frank
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
>This year: In fact, Yesterday, 11/25
>
>http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2933484629_FkVKwzX/Medium
>
>ISO 800, hand held AWB Pentax k-5
>
>
>Last year:
Quoting Ann Sanfedele :
This year: In fact, Yesterday, 11/25
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2933484629_FkVKwzX/Medium
ISO 800, hand held AWB Pentax k-5
Excellent! Nicely arranged composition that works well against the
grey background
Taken and originally posted several years ago, since we're having rather wintry
weather of late I thought I'd post it again:
http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2010/02/dark-snowy-commute.html?m=1
Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
Cheers,
frank
“Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amie
Quoting Rick Womer :
We planted a red maple in front of our house 2 seasons ago. It has
been very happy. These were taken a few weeks ago; the branches are
bare now.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17613485
and
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17613486
(K-5, FA 24-90 and
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:23 AM, knarf wrote:
> They're probably made in China these days, but still, can you buy these at
> the corner store where you live?
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/only-in-canada.html?m=1
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
> “Analysi
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne
wrote:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/utah-sr-9.html
>
> Still from Zion, had 36 rather productive hours there.
>
> A four minutes’ exposure, just after sunset.
>
> Jostein
Nice view, I like the vantage point above the roads.
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
> Do children even sing that little ditty anymore? Happy Thanksgiving and Good
> Day to the rest of the world. This is what Iowa looks like today (for Jack
> and other warm weather sufferers). Now off to roast duck and football U.S.
> style.
>
>
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> We planted a red maple in front of our house 2 seasons ago. It has been very
> happy. These were taken a few weeks ago; the branches are bare now.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17613485
>
> and
>
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