Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-27 Thread Mishka
that, and the shape of film MTF as well. a lousy digicam hyperzoom easily resolves >100 lpmm *on sensor* mishka On 7/27/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thats mostly due to lens limitations than anything else. > > William Robb

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-27 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Farr" Subject: RE: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly" IOW: binary film is a bullshit argument. There was an article in DCCT a couple of years or so ago, the writer was spouting the same thing. I think Mikey probab

RE: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Anthony Farr
> -Original Message- > From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:49 PM > > I believe that his binary grain clump theory is somewhat flawed rendering the > remainder of the argument moot. > I think the same, and wonder what Reichmann has been smoking or

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Mishka
it is a total bull. the guy was hungover or something. mishka On 7/26/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > > Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: > > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml > > I read the article... What can I say? > > Hones

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Bob Blakely
Yes. Regards, Bob... - "The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to Frenc

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Mark Roberts
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: "Mark Roberts" > >> I think it's an excellent article. A bit overstated, perhaps, but it >> certainly provides at least part of the explanation why digital images >> look better than they *should* for a given pixel resolution - at least >> when taki

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Jul 2005 at 8:35, Mark Roberts wrote: > I think it's an excellent article. A bit overstated, perhaps, but it > certainly provides at least part of the explanation why digital images > look better than they *should* for a given pixel resolution - at least > when taking photos of subjects that

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly" I think it's an excellent article. A bit overstated, perhaps, but it certainly provides at least part of the explanation why digital images look better than they *should

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Gee Mark, so you and I seem to be at disagreement... > >Honestly, this is all total bull... Don't you agree? > > I think it's an excellent article. A bit overstated, perhaps, but it > certainly provides at least part of the explanation why digital images > look better than they *should* for a giv

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi! > >> Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: >> >> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml > >I read the article... What can I say? > >Honestly, this is all total bull... Don't you agree? I think it's an excellent article.

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-26 Thread Chris Stoddart
> > Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: > > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml And he mentions that old hoary chesnut about bumblebees not being able to fly - which really P's me off :-) I am sick of laymen quoting it to me to 'prove' how impractical sci

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml I read the article... What can I say? Honestly, this is all total bull... Don't you agree? Whatever means are the outcome is photograph... It is either good or bad, period... Fi

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi, The more I play with color, the more I appreciate conventional B&W film. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Frantisek > That said, I simply like silver-based B&W more than any digital > process. Especially if the prints are made by somebody as talented as > Salgado's printer. But of cours

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On 7/25/05, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's pretty funny, Shel. Made me laugh. He was being serious... Wasn't he? -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Frantisek
Of course, it seems to me that it's pretty obvious the guy makes money not from photography (he is quite average landscape photographer, in my not so humble opinion), but from his courses and workshops. Which are aimed at digital clientele. An "unbiased" source, isn't he ;-) That said, I simply l

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Frantisek
Monday, July 25, 2005, 8:23:33 PM, Godfrey wrote: GD> Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: GD> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml Sort of entertaining (in Ken Rockwell way). But M.R. fails by his own examples... I would just say "B!" to him. Mr. Reichmann,

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Jul 2005 at 11:23, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml Thanks for that, I think it represents a great exercise in illogic, strangely entertaining none the less. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE A

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Mark Roberts
"Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It's been well documented that true B&W is the only valid contemporary >> method of photographic expression. > >> Color film is the work of the Devil. > >That's two more for the archives! :-) Y'know the digital guys would agree with the second one :)

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Bob Blakely
Last I heard, Kodak, Fuji, Agfa, et al. do not have some special process whereby they place individual grains on a film - never have, never will. Photosensitive chemicals and dyes of various thicknesses and concentrations are mixed in a gelatin and coated onto a base. No grains, no clumps, nothi

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Lewis Matthew
Laughs here, too. Lewis From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's pretty funny, Shel. Made me laugh. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot. It's been well documented that true B&W is the only valid contemporary method of photographic expression. In time

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Made me laugh. :-) Godfrey On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot. It's been well documented that true B&W is the only valid contemporary method of photographic expression. In time automated cell phones shall take over the world an

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: RE: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly" > It's been well documented that true B&W is the only valid contemporary > method of photograp

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Doug Brewer
That's pretty funny, Shel. Made me laugh. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot. It's been well documented that true B&W is the only valid contemporary method of photographic expression. In time automated cell phones shall take over the world and photography sh

RE: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot. It's been well documented that true B&W is the only valid contemporary method of photographic expression. In time automated cell phones shall take over the world and photography shall be little more than a dial tone in history. Color film is the w

Re: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Lewis Matthew wrote: Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml Perhaps interesting, but I'm sorry Godfrey. I just can't bring myself to give a damn which is sharper. I still print Ilfochrome and

RE: "Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml Godfrey Perhaps interesting, but I'm sorry Godfrey. I just can't bring myself to give a damn which is sharper. I still print Ilfochrome a

"Why Bumblebees Can't Fly"

2005-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml Godfrey