Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-09 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2007-06-09, at 03:27, Mark Roberts wrote: Would be? You mean will be. Nikon users will go first, within about a month. ;) Within one month Sony users will see new mid-level class model but still with APS-C sensor, which should be completely new development much improved over the one

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-09 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2007-06-09, at 05:32, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Pentax will go FF 35mm, theres tons and tons of FF 35mm PK lenses out there to use that kind of body with great results. With scary prices when bought second hand lately, and it would be even worse when Pentax would release FF DSLR :-( Cheers,

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: Probably true for Nikon. Pentax will stick within 1.3 crop. Pentax will build cameras with whatever sensors are available as off-the-shelf parts from Sony and/or other manufacturers. This will include bigger-than-1.3 crop before very long. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/6/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: This will include bigger-than-1.3 crop before very long. My goodness, I'll have to buy a second hat ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 07/06/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you just imagine the noise and abuse that would generate from all the people who have invested heavily in one size smaller format lenses? Yes, it would be slightly amusing. Would be? You mean will be. Nikon

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 09/06/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be? You mean will be. Nikon users will go first, within about a month. ;) I expect, as I've been predicting ever since smaller-than-full-frame lenses first appeared, that it will just automatically crop when these lenses are mounted.

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread P. J. Alling
They could do that, but they won't bother. (Maybe after a couple of months of agonized screams from the user base there'll be a firmware upgrade). Mark Roberts wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: On 07/06/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you just imagine the noise

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Probably true for Nikon. Pentax will stick within 1.3 crop. Or maybe not:-). Doesn't matter. What we can buy now works with what we have now. And the DA* calendar stretches out pretty far into the future. Paul On Jun 8, 2007, at 9:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: They could do that, but they won't

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's quite possible down the line. But it's all speculation. 1.3 crop or so may well be the limit for Pentax DSLR. Or maybe not:-). On Jun 8, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 09/06/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be? You mean will be. Nikon users will go

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think they'll bother this time. They may not even go there -- larger than 1.3 or so. The DA* lenses seem to be their brand statement. If they're smart, they won't just walk all over it. I suspect that if Pentax ever goes beyond 1.3 crop, it will be with a 645 camera. It's just good

RE: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-08 Thread J. C. O'Connell
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:22 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ I think they'll bother this time. They may not even go there -- larger than 1.3 or so. The DA* lenses seem to be their brand statement. If they're

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-07 Thread Tom C
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:33:56 +1000 On 07/06/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you just imagine

22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Yes, it is reality, with stanrard lens: http://www.mamiya.com/cameras.asp?id=1id2=2281 I think we can be sure that integrated Pentax 645D using similar sized CCD would be even cheaper... Now if only Hoya would allow Pentax team to release 645D... Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:04:41PM +0200, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote.. Yes, it is reality, with stanrard lens: http://www.mamiya.com/cameras.asp?id=1id2=2281 I think we can be sure that integrated Pentax 645D using similar sized CCD would be even cheaper... Now if only Hoya would allow

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Christian
Wilko Bulte wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:04:41PM +0200, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote.. Yes, it is reality, with stanrard lens: http://www.mamiya.com/cameras.asp?id=1id2=2281 I think we can be sure that integrated Pentax 645D using similar sized CCD would be even cheaper... Now if only Hoya

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ I think we can be sure that integrated Pentax 645D using similar sized CCD would be even cheaper... Now if only Hoya would allow Pentax team to release 645D... Assuming the 645D is ready

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually the assumption is that the 645D is canceled, based on what I'd call Pentax's Wiggle on the Hook plan. We really don't know anything yet. Christian wrote: Wilko Bulte wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:04:41PM +0200, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote.. Yes, it is reality, with

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2007-06-06, at 20:24, Christian wrote: Umm, news is that the 645D has been canceled. Nothing was officially announced so far, there were just rumours, rumours and once again rumours ;-) -- Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Tom C
C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:49:59 -0400 Actually the assumption is that the 645D is canceled, based on what I'd call

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Adam Maas
Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:49:59 -0400 Actually the assumption is that the 645D is canceled, based on what I'd call Pentax's Wiggle on the Hook plan. We really don't know anything yet

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Bruce Dayton
. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:49:59 -0400 Actually the assumption is that the 645D is canceled, based on what I'd call

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Tom C
factor body at high yet relatively affordable prices would likely have a bigger market than the 645D ever would. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread John Sessoms
From: Christian Wilko Bulte wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:04:41PM +0200, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote.. Yes, it is reality, with stanrard lens: http://www.mamiya.com/cameras.asp?id=1id2=2281 I think we can be sure that integrated Pentax 645D using similar sized CCD would be even

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread P. J. Alling
potential customer base for that than for a 645D. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:49:59 -0400 Actually

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread John Sessoms
From: Adam Maas Considering that the 645D was most likely using K10D-based electronics changed only enough to handle the Kodak sensor(which is significantly larger than 24x36), that would gain us exactly what? How much significantly larger? Full frame *PLUS* maybe? -- PDML

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Adam Maas
John Sessoms wrote: From: Adam Maas Considering that the 645D was most likely using K10D-based electronics changed only enough to handle the Kodak sensor(which is significantly larger than 24x36), that would gain us exactly what? How much significantly larger? Full frame *PLUS* maybe?

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 1$ If it were me, assuming that a reasonable profit margin could be realized, I'd revamp the 645D guts and put them in a K10D style body and attempt to sell a high end DSLR that uses regular K-mount lenses

Re: 22 MPix digital MF under 10000$

2007-06-06 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/06/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you just imagine the noise and abuse that would generate from all the people who have invested heavily in one size smaller format lenses? Yes, it would be slightly amusing. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110