Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On 25/08/07, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In any case, doesn't the real point still remain? Doesn't a lower native > ISO mean that you have to amplify the data more at a given higher ISO > setting? If it does, asking for a lower ISO is in reality asking for > more noise at higher ISO v

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Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 24/08/07, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Actually, Wikipedia says: >> >> ISO Standard 12232:2006 >> >> >> ("Photography — Digital still cameras — Determinat

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On 24/08/07, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, Wikipedia says: > > ISO Standard 12232:2006 > > > ("Photography — Digital still cameras — Determination of exposure > index, ISO speed rat

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Toralf Lund wrote: > Digital Image Studio wrote: > >> On 24/08/07, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Isn't the ISO rating (of the sensor) directly linked to the >>> signal-to-noise ratio? [ ... ] >>> >>> >> > what I was trying to say, is that I think I'

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Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 24/08/07, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Isn't the ISO rating (of the sensor) directly linked to the >> signal-to-noise ratio? >> > > Indirectly. > > >> Isn't wanting a lower ISO like wishing the sensor >> was noisier? >> > > No, the s

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On 24/08/07, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't the ISO rating (of the sensor) directly linked to the > signal-to-noise ratio? Indirectly. > Isn't wanting a lower ISO like wishing the sensor > was noisier? No, the sensors effective native ISO has more to do with its saturation level

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t; > >> From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:03:09 -0400 >> >> On 8

Re: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

My original smart @rsed message didn't come out sounding the way I wanted it to. I'm feeling too lazy to correct it. Cheers, Dave At 11:38 AM 24/08/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: >That's funny, that model isn't on my periodic table of Canon DSLRs >either as predicted or possible, which has been qui

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Thanks, Godfrey. :) On 8/23/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's nothing to burn out on the shutter, Amita. You might run the > battery dry and then the camera will shut down. The shutter is simply > a mechanical device with a couple of springs and magnets. The second > curtai

Re: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

That's funny, that model isn't on my periodic table of Canon DSLRs either as predicted or possible, which has been quite good a predicting the future direction of canon since I found it. David Savage wrote: > Well it's better than the Canon 6D he "reviewed" last week based on a > online forum r

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On 24/08/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well it's better than the Canon 6D he "reviewed" last week based on a > online forum rumor. Poor sod, he seems to be getting some slaps from the Nikon forumites and he's Nikons biggest flag waver, it's just not fair. I must confess after his n

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I'm pretty sure you'll voice some disappointment with almost anything that is announced by any manufacturer. And yet you seem to feel that a Canon DRebel viewfinder is acceptable for most people's use from other comments. Very curious - multiple standards disorder? ]'-) G On Aug 23, 2007, a

Re: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

Well it's better than the Canon 6D he "reviewed" last week based on a online forum rumor. Cheers, Dave At 03:11 AM 24/08/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: >Let me guess, it's better than Canon. > >Digital Image Studio wrote: > > On 23/08/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Kenny a

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use anything than a polarizer when shooting Velvia (Jack). With a camera having a minum ISO of 200, I't pretty much a given that filters will be required. Tom C. >From: John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: pdml@pdml.net >Subject: Re: OT

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From: "Tom C" > It's just not *wanting* to use the filters, or use them as little as > possible. You start stacking filters and using small apertures and > the view through the viewfinder is too dark to use. Use the square ones. Compose the shot, lock it down and then slip the ND filters into t

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gt; wrote: > > > Native ISO of 200 is a little disappointing. Would have preferred > > 100 or > > 50. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > >From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > &g

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There's nothing to burn out on the shutter, Amita. You might run the battery dry and then the camera will shut down. The shutter is simply a mechanical device with a couple of springs and magnets. The second curtain stays open as long as its retaining mechanism does not release. Godfrey On

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Mark Roberts wrote: > Tom C wrote: > > >> Native ISO of 200 is a little disappointing. Would have preferred 100 >> > or > >> 50. >> > > >From looking at the specs, I'd say it's probably more of a > sports/action camera - a competitor for the Canon 1D rather than 1Ds. > And putt

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C. > > > >From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed > >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:30:38 -0400 > > > &g

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o: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:30:38 -0400 > >Thanks! How long can you keep the shutter open on these cameras? Don't >the electronic shutters burn out eventually

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Tom C wrote: >Native ISO of 200 is a little disappointing. Would have preferred 100 or >50. >From looking at the specs, I'd say it's probably more of a sports/action camera - a competitor for the Canon 1D rather than 1Ds. And putting "only" 12 megapixels in full-frame sensor should theoreti

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e price". > > Tom C. > > > > >From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: pdml@pdml.net > >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed > >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:02:26 -0600 > > > >T

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed > It still makes Pentax look like a 90lb weakling though and provides a FF > alternative to the Canon 5D. I expect Canon to come out with it's > replacement one of these m

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e Canon 5D. I expect Canon to come out with it's > replacement one of these months. > > > Tom C. > > > >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D

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But as I said, I can't get a long enough exposure time to do the job I want with much greater than ISO 3. I don't stack filters, I have a 6 and an 8 stop ND. I fit them when I need them... after focusing and with the camera set up on a tripod. Long as I'm going to that effort for a shot, it

Re: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

Let me guess, it's better than Canon. Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 23/08/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Kenny already has his initial review up. >> > > Genuine ROTLFMAO, thanks for that! > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail L

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I should have said "the best for this application at a reasonable price". Tom C. >From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: pdml@pdml.net >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007

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List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:48:33 -0700 > > >On Aug 23, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Amita Guha wrote: > > > Funny you should mention it, I put my remaining 3 manual Pentaxes up > > on

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On Aug 23, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Amita Guha wrote: > Funny you should mention it, I put my remaining 3 manual Pentaxes up > on ebay this week. My K1000 is at $6.50 right now, so I'm almost > there. ;) :-) > I agree with Tom that the lack of real ISO 100 is a disappointment, > although I rarely sho

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

scuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:27:52 -0400 > >On 8/23/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Viewfinder > > aside, they are a standout in astropho

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On 8/23/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Viewfinder > aside, they are a standout in astrophotography circles, with the most bang > for the buck of any DSLR. Tom, why are the Digital Rebels good for astrophotography? I thought mechanical shutters were still the best thing for astrophotograph

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t;exciting new >> processor" >> >> >> My D2H did, and look were that got me.(first name bases with service:-)) >> >> Dave >> >> On 8/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> - Original Message --

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needed. Tom C. >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:42:19 -0700 > >I'm pretty sure you'll voice some disap

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We all have our requirements. Tom C. >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:42:19 -0700 > >I'

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It does??!!!??? Tom C. >From: Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:21:41 -0400 > >Very tempting indeed, I especially li

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On 8/23/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Amita Guha wrote: > > > > Damn, it's tempting. It has a function that tells you if you have a > > level horizon, which would be great for me. :) Now all I need is 5 > > grand. > > LOL ... With proper rationali

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On Aug 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Amita Guha wrote: >> Looks like a monster, probably a great camera. Gonna buy one? > > Damn, it's tempting. It has a function that tells you if you have a > level horizon, which would be great for me. :) Now all I need is 5 > grand. LOL ... With proper rationalizati

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ax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:39:04 -0700 (PDT) > >Was, also, my first reaction. >I'm a slow person. > >Jack >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Native ISO of 200 is a little disap

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Native ISO of 200 is a little disappointing. Would have preferred 100 or 50. Tom C. >From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed >Da

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When's the 645D coming out? Will it be around $5K? Please say yes Rob. Tom C. >From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previ

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On 8/23/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like a monster, probably a great camera. Gonna buy one? Damn, it's tempting. It has a function that tells you if you have a level horizon, which would be great for me. :) Now all I need is 5 grand. Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mai

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ing from Nikon that has the phrase"exciting new > processor" > > > My D2H did, and look were that got me.(first name bases with service:-)) > > Dave > > On 8/23/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Original Message ----- >> Fro

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I know. Cheers, Dave On 8/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was a facetious response to the familiar SOS. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Nope. They ain't being made anymore. > > > > Cheers, >

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On 23/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was a facetious response to the familiar SOS. LOL, I'm sticking around for the 645D, should be here for a while ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google

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It was a facetious response to the familiar SOS. Paul -- Original message -- From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Nope. They ain't being made anymore. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > On 8/23/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rob will get his V125/2

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Nope. They ain't being made anymore. Cheers, Dave On 8/23/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob will get his V125/2.5 in Nikon mount from the same place he got > the V125/2.5 in Canon mount:-)). > Paul > On Aug 23, 2007, at 7:18 AM, David Savage wrote: > > > On 8/23/07, Digital Ima

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Rob will get his V125/2.5 in Nikon mount from the same place he got the V125/2.5 in Canon mount:-)). Paul On Aug 23, 2007, at 7:18 AM, David Savage wrote: > On 8/23/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 23/08/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> And as suspected it

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On 8/23/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23/08/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And as suspected it supports reduced image circle lenses. > > The big question is where can I get a V125/2.5 in Nikon mount! Ebay? :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mai

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Digital Image Studio" > Subject: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed > > > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp > > > > LOL ;-) > > Kenny already has his initial review up. > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss M

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On 8/23/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp > > I presume this means the usual whinging and whining will commence for > the umpteenth time. Only US $5000 ... A bargai

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp I presume this means the usual whinging and whining will commence for the umpteenth time. Only US $5000 ... A bargain! Looks like a monster, probably a great camera. Gonna buy one?

Re: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

On 23/08/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And as suspected it supports reduced image circle lenses. The big question is where can I get a V125/2.5 in Nikon mount! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.co

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On 23/08/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kenny already has his initial review up. Genuine ROTLFMAO, thanks for that! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/

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That seems to say it all. Digital Image Studio wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp > > LOL ;-) > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp > > LOL ;-) Kenny already has his initial review up. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp > > LOL ;-) I wonder how much less it would have cost without the 100% viewfinder. WW -- PDML Pentax-Dis

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And as suspected it supports reduced image circle lenses. Cheers, Dave On 8/23/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp > > LOL ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

OT: DPR Nikon D3, Full-Frame, previewed

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082312nikond3.asp LOL ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --