Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yes - for the time being you'll need to use the DNG files until Adobe releases an updated Camera Raw, which they do frequently as new cameras come out. I'm not positive when the last release was, but I believe it was on October 31 or so, v3.6, but I don't know if it covers the K10D PEF files since

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Adam Maas
Are you shooting DNG or PEF format. Elements can only read DNG's from the K10D at the moment. -Adam Bob Sullivan wrote: > Shel, > I'm using Photoshop Elements 5.0, but it's not opening the K10d RAW files. > Is there something that I'm missing to get to ARC? > Regards, Bob S. > > On 12/2/06, S

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
Shel, I'm using Photoshop Elements 5.0, but it's not opening the K10d RAW files. Is there something that I'm missing to get to ARC? Regards, Bob S. On 12/2/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's Adobe Camera Raw. You can try it in Photoshop or Elements. It was > my understanding

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul, What is ACR? Where can I try it? Regards, Bob S. On 12/2/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With ACR, you can render an image any way you choose. The range of > adjustment is considerable. I've now processed several hundred K10 DNGs > with ACR. No problem achieving good result

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That's Adobe Camera Raw. You can try it in Photoshop or Elements. It was my understanding from some of your posts that you're using Elements. Did I misunderstand those earlier posts? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Sullivan > What is ACR? Where can I try it? > Regards, Bob S. --

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Thanks Bob. They do have a great relationship. When my mom walks down > the hall with her walker, Grace helps her along. BTW, sorry for > reposting the same shot. It is incredible, don't apologise. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.ne

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
With ACR, you can render an image any way you choose. The range of adjustment is considerable. I've now processed several hundred K10 DNGs with ACR. No problem achieving good results with any of them. Paul On Dec 2, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Bronek Kozicki wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> ACR works fi

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Bob. They do have a great relationship. When my mom walks down the hall with her walker, Grace helps her along. BTW, sorry for reposting the same shot. But it is a good example of relatively low noise at 1600. Paul On Dec 2, 2006, at 1:28 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Paul, > I love the rela

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Paul Stenquist wrote: > ACR works fine with K10D images as long as their saved as DNG format. there is subtle difference between "being able to read" and "being able to render as intended by camera manufacturer". Sure, ACR can read DNG files from K10D, but seeing results I'm not convinced it ren

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul, I love the relationship between Grace and her Great Grandmother. (I had a great grandmother until I was 6 or 8 and have some memories of her, but we've had our children later in life and a great grandchild is probably out of the question in my lifetime.) I cannot get over how much alike they

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
"What the hell do you expect, miracles?" Uh...yes. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread George Sinos
No data for the image is lost, and it doesn't look like any EXIF is lost. I experimented with this a few days ago. I appended what I posted then. I found it interesting that a PEF converted to a DNG creates a much larger file than just shooting DNG in the first place. You can see that the Penta

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Not that I'm aware of. I was just pointing out that you had to save K10D files as DNG to use ACR. That's the way I'm working, and I'll probably continue to work that way, since I use PSCS on my photography computer, and I believe only PSCS2 will get support for K10D PEF files. But I see no

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Michael Chan
On Dec 1, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Make that "as long as they're saved as DNG format." I've read some, but I'm still confused as to the apprehension about. It's an open format, correct? Is there a risk of lock-in/betrothal to Adobe? Forgive me for not searching the thread

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Make that "as long as they're saved as DNG format." :-) On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > ACR works fine with K10D images as long as their saved as DNG format. > Paul > On Dec 1, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Bronek Kozicki wrote: > >> Joseph Tainter wrote: >>> Here is my first posted K10D i

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've shot more than 100 pics indoors at both 800 and 1600 with the K10D. No problems with color, even given a mix of tungsten and window light, although that can sometimes lead to a compromise. But It behaves in a normal way. Better than the D to be sure. If you haven't seen any of the shot

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Joseph Tainter" Subject: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm > Here is my first posted K10D image. It is very q&d with no processing > except for Auto Levels. I was just giving shake reduction a first try. > Boy did I get a n

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
ACR works fine with K10D images as long as their saved as DNG format. Paul On Dec 1, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Bronek Kozicki wrote: > Joseph Tainter wrote: >> Here is my first posted K10D image. It is very q&d with no processing >> except for Auto Levels. I was just giving shake reduction a first >> tr

RE: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Joe, You're shooting in mixed light, and that's difficult with any media. I ran into a somewhat similar situation (please note, I'm not saying it's a problem) in which I was dealing with tungsten and daylight. The cure comes in the post processing. I was able to eliminate the excess blue with s

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Bruce Dayton
I think that is the trick. Don't let it bring you to a halt. Now is the time to experiment and learn and even compare against your *istD when you hit a circumstance that seems to be out of line. Can you recreate the bad shot (repeat it consistently? If so, try the exact same thing with the *ist

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
This is complicated also by the two different color temperature light sources, one (daylight?) coming from the left side, the other (incandescent?) coming from the right side, - Thanks. You could be right. This may have been too much of a torture test for the sensor. Joe -- PDML Pentax

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Jostein Øksne
Joe, The K10D won't be the first camera to produce odd colours with mixed light colours. :-) Actually I think your test shot at DPreview didn't look too bad, but maybe I'm not looking closely enough. So far I've only made one shot with mine, at 1/2s exposure time with 31mm ltd. I know I'm going

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Gonz
My guess is that there is too much dynamic range there between the bright wall and the dark paintings. This is complicated also by the two different color temperature light sources, one (daylight?) coming from the left side, the other (incandescent?) coming from the right side, making it diffi

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
Since the camera is right there, you should take a bunch of photos of various things to see what it will do. - Oh, I did, Bruce. I took a couple of outdoor photos with the FA 31 and DA 16-45 at ISO 100. They were fine. This was image number 5 on the camera. It brought me to a halt. I plan

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Bruce Dayton
Joe, Out of curiousity, have you tried many other shots that are of very different subjects. It would be good to determine if it looks like this in all of them or just this instance. I would also isolate the SR tests from the color/noise tests. You test too many things at once and it makes it m

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
I only now noticed - here is culprit. Do not use ACR autolevels. Just say no. If you want "auto look", shoot JPEG (or even better - RAW+ ). And another thing: in Pentax DLSRs , white balance should be set before shot even if you use RAW. And because these cameras have rather poor auto white balance

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Joseph Tainter wrote: > Here is my first posted K10D image. It is very q&d with no processing > except for Auto Levels. ^^^ I only now noticed - here is culprit. Do not use ACR autolevels. Just say no. If you want "auto look", shoot JPEG (or even better - RAW+ ). And anoth

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
Hard to see how noisy it is in a small web image. - Paul, I uploaded that at 2400 pixels wide. So I don't know why you would be seeing it as a small image. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
I hope you still have these RAWs? Process them with PPL. ACR is not calibrated to K10D yet, I guess this where all these extra colors are coming from. Besides, you did not push EV in processing, did you? - No EV pushing or anything fancy. I was just trying shake reduction. I have tried proce

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread pnstenquist
Hard to see how noisy it is in a small web image. My ISO 800 images are definitely not very noisy. The blue looks like it might be a reflecti0n of the carpet. or something else. Time to take your meds and shoot some real photographs. Paul -- Original message -- F

Re: First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Joseph Tainter wrote: > Here is my first posted K10D image. It is very q&d with no processing > except for Auto Levels. I was just giving shake reduction a first try. > Boy did I get a nasty surprise: > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21099553 > > Please, help me

First K10D Post: Trying to Stay Calm

2006-12-01 Thread Joseph Tainter
Here is my first posted K10D image. It is very q&d with no processing except for Auto Levels. I was just giving shake reduction a first try. Boy did I get a nasty surprise: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21099553 Please, help me out here, gang. What should I concl