I've seen an old Macro Takumar 50 mm f4 screw mount lens and I'm tempted to buy it. It has preset diaphragm with both rings at the front, and a scale showing light loss as magnification increases. I think it goes to 1:1 without tubes. Its condition is near mint. Your advice about this lens will be welcome. Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .