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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:10:19 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Digital Image Studio wrote: >> >>> On 06/12/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric trains in the UK are _much_ faster t

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It's interesting since most Diesel-Electric locomotives are developed here. GMD and GE are driving the development of high-horsepower D-E motive power. GMD makes a fair number of locomotives for the UK and European market, many of which are nothing more than SD40-2's in new carbodies (Which is

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On Dec 5, 2006, at 10:39 PM, mike wilson wrote: > Not correct in the UK. Diesel-electric trains regularly cruise at > the speed record for steam. Our lines are stuffed so the diesels go a little faster than walking pace. Unless it's a hot day. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDM

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Well I was talking about regular trains, not world speed record attempts. BTW as for World Rail Speed Records AFAIK the current one is something over 550kph (346mph). But that was an electric mag-lev train. And anyway that record you mention beat the American set one (126) from the year before

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Mark Roberts wrote: > Digital Image Studio wrote: > > >>On 06/12/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric trains in the UK >>>are _much_ faster than steam ever was. They regularly _cruise_ at a >>>speed which was the record for ste

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On 05/12/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've ridden the TGV in France. Tres cool! > You really don't get a sensation of speed until you go round one of the > (very gentle) bends. Then there's that feeling of subtle but powerful > inertia familiar to anyone who's experienced high spee

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> > > > I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric > trains in the UK > > > are _much_ faster than steam ever was. They regularly > _cruise_ at a > > > speed which was the record for steam locomotives. > > 126 mph? or was it 132 mph? Unless there's leaves on the > track, then they

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graywolf wrote: > You are saying that 50 years later, diesel trains are faster than steam > trains were? Quote = The record run of the "Mallard" on July 3rd, 1938 was made with a six car streamline set plus a dynamometer car,

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> No, it's the wrong kind of snow. Any kind of leaves will stop them, > but only certain types of snow. The Esquimos have a word for it: > fuqatraqupqwiq. -:) John The information transmitted

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Nope. World record for steam was 129mph, set by a Gresley A4 > Pacific named Mallard a year or so before the outbreak of WW II. > The engine > (which was never the same afterwards) can be seen in the National > Railway Museum in York. That's York in the UK, not Pennsylvania :-) Yes, Malla

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Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 06/12/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric trains in the UK >>are _much_ faster than steam ever was. They regularly _cruise_ at a >>speed which was the record for steam locomotives. >> >>Scares the

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:47:36PM -0500, graywolf wrote: > You are saying that 50 years later, diesel trains are faster than steam > trains were? Actually, I think the US had the fastest steam trains in > the world. Nope. World record for steam was 129mph, set by a Gresley A4 Pacific named Ma

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> > I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric trains in the UK > > are _much_ faster than steam ever was. They regularly _cruise_ at a > > speed which was the record for steam locomotives. 126 mph? or was it 132 mph? Unless there's leaves on the track, then they don't run at all. Sorr

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On 06/12/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've ridden the TGV in France. Tres cool! > You really don't get a sensation of speed until you go round one of the > (very gentle) bends. Then there's that feeling of subtle but powerful > inertia familiar to anyone who's experienced high spe

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On 5/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: >I think the US had the fastest steam trains in >the world. Not quite so fast there sir ;-)) QUACK!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

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You are saying that 50 years later, diesel trains are faster than steam trains were? Actually, I think the US had the fastest steam trains in the world. But we have not even kept up the infrastructure, much less improved it since then. The RR we have today are good for slow heavy freight. I rod

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Digital Image Studio wrote: >On 06/12/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric trains in the UK >> are _much_ faster than steam ever was. They regularly _cruise_ at a >> speed which was the record for steam locomotives. >> >> Scares the

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On 06/12/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was actually saying that intercity diesel-electric trains in the UK > are _much_ faster than steam ever was. They regularly _cruise_ at a > speed which was the record for steam locomotives. > > Scares the willies out of me but only 'cos I'm

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Bob Sullivan wrote: > I've been a model railroader on and off all my life, besides being a > railfan and a one time railroad employee in the '70's. > > My knowledge and experience is confined to the USA, and Mike Wilson is > right. Outside the US (UK, India, others) steam lasted longer and > mov

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I'm a model railroader as well, and you're right about the transition era. Except for the coal roads in the US (At least the ones who used coal for power, Virginian electrified long before the transition era) and the Canadian Roads, steam was done by 1955 in general. UP lasted a bit longer as we

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I've been a model railroader on and off all my life, besides being a railfan and a one time railroad employee in the '70's. My knowledge and experience is confined to the USA, and Mike Wilson is right. Outside the US (UK, India, others) steam lasted longer and moved faster. I can't say how long

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Well, after doing some googling I kind of became aware that apparently some uncles who worked for the RR back when I was a kid, did some exaggerating (10K+ hp etc) to impress the kids. Other than that I had read the book "Twilight of Steam" several years back. So I was writing mostly from memor

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Mark Roberts wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: > > >>SJ wrote: >> >>>there are a couple of 'heritage' tracks (mostly to hill stations) in >>>india which still use steam (mostly for tourism these days) but until >>>very recently we had a lot of steam locomotives running around. >>> >>>you might find this

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Adam Maas wrote: >SJ wrote: >> >> there are a couple of 'heritage' tracks (mostly to hill stations) in >> india which still use steam (mostly for tourism these days) but until >> very recently we had a lot of steam locomotives running around. >> >> you might find this interesting: >> >> http:

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> > From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/12/04 Mon PM 11:47:34 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: OT: Steam Powered > > I'm a fan of trains and worked for a railroad for a time. Any of the > managers in

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On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > Steam is a whole lot nicer to look at though. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/view.php?p=506 http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/view.php?p=507 :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listi

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7500+ HP is consistent with what I said for steam(which was 6000+HP), however Virginian's big electrics were north of 10,000HP. And while Steam does have a whole lot of torque at startup, it actually hits its torque max at low speed, not at a standing start. Electric traction motors hit their t

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That one you are wrong about, Adam. Norfork-Western ran steam longer than anyone, even going as far as building their own locomotives. Their main business was hauling coal from the mines to distribution points around the US. One of their locomotives could haul a train that 5 D-E's could not eve

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SJ wrote: > On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:10:52 -0500 > Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > >> Steam is maintenance intensive, short ranged and required a lot of >> infrastructure (Water and fuel, especially water). Diesel-Electrics >> have them beat on all fronts. And now they're even matc

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Sadly, that's simply not the case. Diesels proved themselves originally on long-haul routes out west during WW2, when 4 unit FT lashups proved to be able to be able to haul almost as much just as fast and cheaper than UP and ATSF's big steam. The last roads to go diesel were the ones doing big

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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:10:52 -0500 Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Steam is maintenance intensive, short ranged and required a lot of > infrastructure (Water and fuel, especially water). Diesel-Electrics > have them beat on all fronts. And now they're even matching the HP, > with 600

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Sanding is good, but it's still steel on steel. Low Friction! I once rode a coal train out of Sesser, Illinois loading 103 cars with 100 tons of coal each. We just pulled thru under the tipple at 0.3 mph in a continuous move. There was a hump and dip with a slight grade (1%) on the way out, the e

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At 08:47 AM 5/12/2006, Bob Sullivan wrote: >I'm a fan of trains and worked for a railroad for a time. Any of the >managers in the Operating Dept. would have transfered back into the >line to be a steam locomotive engineer. > >Any train that a steam locomotive could get rolling, it could pull at >6

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I'm a fan of trains and worked for a railroad for a time. Any of the managers in the Operating Dept. would have transfered back into the line to be a steam locomotive engineer. Any train that a steam locomotive could get rolling, it could pull at 60+ mph. (Traction is poor with steel wheels on st

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Brian Dunn wrote: >>>Write time to the X's drive is a bigger issue for me - it took a solid >>>20 minutes to download each card to the X's Drive II. > > >>I have the same (Dane-Elec) card in 1Gb configuration. It takes about 3 >>minutes to write a full card (90+) to my PC, which is steam pow

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>> Write time to the X's drive is a bigger issue for me - it took a solid >> 20 minutes to download each card to the X's Drive II. >I have the same (Dane-Elec) card in 1Gb configuration. It takes about 3 >minutes to write a full card (90+) to my PC, which is steam powered. You >must have a