Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-16 Thread Pål Jensen
Mark wrote: What baffles me is that the Mz-S - just released a couple of years ago - not only supports the aperture ring but _needs_ it for aperture priority and metered manual operation. I don't think releasing a new, limited mount in the new flagship would have made a lot of sense, but if

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-15 Thread Mark Cassino
At 12:08 PM 6/8/2003 +0200, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote: I do not think so. I think that Pentax's future really lies in the crippled (AKA FAJ-mount, AKA Kaf3), and if they are to do this thing, then why not now? For the kinds of customers that Pentax is after, it really makes sense economically to

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-15 Thread Alan Chan
but if Pentax knew this was the direction they were going in why not include on-body aperture control? Judging from the Pentax K mount history, I have a strong feeling that they have never had a strong vision, let alone direction. We all know they have had many never-seen-the-light products, as

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-11 Thread Lon Williamson
And I choose tripod before USM. I never did figure out how this is supposed to be so wonderful. The bigger the lens, the harder to handhold. Jeeze, just how long do you want to hold even a 300mm lens waiting for the moment? In fact, most of my tripod shots are pre-framed, pre-focused, and I sit

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-11 Thread Herb Chong
- From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 17:57 Subject: Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited) And I choose tripod before USM. I never did figure out how this is supposed to be so wonderful. The bigger the lens, the harder to handhold

RE: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-11 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And I choose tripod before USM. I never did figure out how this is supposed to be so wonderful. The bigger the lens, the harder to handhold. Jeeze, just how long do you want to hold even a 300mm lens waiting for

RE: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-11 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 70-200/2.8 IS should be here in time for this weekend's gig...thanks Mark! Let me know how it works out. *That's a lens I'd like to try out! (Wish I'd had time to try out the

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-10 Thread Tetrazen
- Original Message - From: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is also my prediction that if Pentax survives this transition (from Kaf2 to crippled-mount), there will eventually be a further mount evolution that will support IS lenses. I am sure that the *ist and ist D mount does

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
I have the feeling that Pentax is trying to follow the Nikon route - drop the aperture ring, introduce AF-S, then VR. What's AF-S, besides the autofocus, single setting on the MZ-S? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX:

Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov
Hi Peter, Giving the option of stop down metering with K mount lenses would have cost nothing in hardware and no more in software development than has already be expended. It to would have made the camera no less attractive to beginners with no difference in cost and would have kept at

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen
Bojidar wrote: Now, this is all a speculation on my side, but just like the prediction that the *ist and *ist D will not work with the K/M lenses, No offense, but it wasn't much of a prediction as it well known in Japan at PMA times and the same whine war as we have now was raging on

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen
Corrected message! Bojidar wrote: Now, this is all a speculation on my side, but just like the prediction that the *ist and *ist D will not work with the K/M lenses, No offense, but it wasn't much of a prediction as it well known in Japan at PMA times and the same whine war as we have now

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen
SLR's. Pål - Original Message - From: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited) Hi Peter, Giving the option of stop down metering with K mount lenses would have cost nothing

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread alexanderkrohe
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:08:27 +0200 From: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Boz, ... ... it really makes sense economically to leave out the aperture ring and the aperture simulator. These are complex mechanical shapes that require lots of machining and complex assembly, and they

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen
Peter wrote: Then they've lost me, and all of the people I would have convinced to buy Pentax cameras who would never have considered them. That includes most of the people on this list who discovered Pentax as a place where quality and customer loyalty, as well as loyalty to the customer

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Keith Whaley
Customers and users are and have always been two different categories. Some uses are also customers, but crossing the boundary is up to them. Either way, they can be fiercely loyal in either guise... Pentaxians all... keith whaley I haven't been a buyer (customer) for a LONG time, but don't tell

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Alan Chan
Or there might be a Limited lens without an aperture ring, and if it is a good one, you will all buy it. This will ease your move towards the crippled mount. LIMITED lens without an aperture ring is no LIMITED lens no more. Oh wait! What's a better name for a lens with limited ability? :-)

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Alan Chan
If the plain K-mount compatibility is really gone (and I agree it is) then actually the IS is not as critical as the USM IMHO. If you ask me, I think both are important these days. However, if one must choose, I will put IS before USM. It really saves your lots of blurred shots with telephotos.

Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)

2003-06-09 Thread Alan Chan
It is fun to speculate but I can't see any reasons why not Pentax would make manual aperture adjustment from the body available with F and FA lenses with upper end bodies. Limiting such use makes no sense from any perspective as it doesn't need mechanical transmissions. Not does make any sense