I own the 77, and I would suggest you would not be disappointed with it
in any respect.  I only have one 85mm lens to compare it to - an 85mm
F1.8 AF Nikkor, and it takes in approximately the same field of view.
The Nikkor is a rear focusing design, so I don't know if that affects
the focal length at short distances like internal focusing does - I
don't think it should.  So my guess is that the 77 is indeed a little
longer than advertised - maybe in the low 80s.

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com 

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Walsh
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: 77/18 Ltd.vs. FA* 85/1.4(Was Re: Pentax SMC-FA* 
> 85mm/1.4 IF on E-bay)
> 
> 
> At "portrait" distances (say 4 to 6 feet) or at mid-range say 
> 10 feet), 
> just how different is the angle of view of the subject 
> lenses? I've seen 
> test reports that suggest that the "77" is actually a bit 
> longer than that, 
> and the 85 is not quite that (at least close in, due to the 
> IF), so they 
> seem like they might be virtually identical in focal length 
> at such focus 
> distances.
> 
> Since I use my 85/1.4 essentially only at 10 feet and closer, but I 
> sometimes _carry_ the lens long distances, the lighter-weight 
> Limited lens 
> seems quite attractive. Because the 85/1.4 is--really--the bulk of my 
> "family" kit, I carry it sometimes when I'm hiking with 
> medium format gear 
> (my "I will Create Art" kit), even though, on those 
> occasions, I also often 
> carry one member of the family. My four year-old daughter is 
> unlikely to 
> grow lighter; I wonder if my "family" kit should.
> 
> I enjoyed the linked photos, but I still can't decide to sell 
> an excellent 
> lens and buy another excellent (lighter, but shorter?) lens, 
> especially if 
> the focal length is significantly shorter than the length 
> (and what length 
> is that?) that works for me. I'm sorta-kinda leaning towards 
> self-enablement. Should somebody stop me?
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