Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-08 Thread P. J. Alling
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 01 November 2006 08:05 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. Maybe. That's a small crack of willingness I can just get my crowbar of persuasion

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault [...] However, they offer a greatly increased chance of survival and/or minimization of brain injury in a surprisingly large number of collisions. I can think of at least three

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living! Which begs the belief that cycling is not actually living. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 04 November 2006 10:19 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living! Which begs

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Scott Loveless
Looks like I'm better off cycling without my helmet than I am sitting here on my fat ass reading PDML mail. g Conversely, here in the States fishing is often a very relaxing endeavour. Depending on the fisherman he may decided to sit on a bank, take a boat ride, or wade out into a stream with a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?) it's your duty to shout Get a life, loser!. This before I hit them with the vehicle or after ? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 03:42:11PM +, Cotty wrote: On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?) it's your duty to shout Get a life, loser!. This before I hit them with the vehicle or after ? ;-) There's not a lot

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: There's not a lot of point shouting at them *after* you hit them, is there? (Although get a life does seem strangely appropriate). Oh, c'mon, I wouldn't kill a cyclist outright, that would be very bad. I like to see some suffering first. --

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/03 Fri AM 05:04:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Bob W wrote: You make your own choices (or do you? isn't it compulsory in NZ?) It is compulsory in NZ

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Nothing can guarantee protection against a really serious head injury. The impact is just too large, and even the best helmets can only absorb so much of it. Helmets are a compromise solution to head protection

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On 11/3/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helmets are a compromise solution to head protection. They can offer exceedingly good protection, but at the expense of weight. A heavier helmet is more likely to cause soft tissue injuries (whiplash) to the neck. ~Everything~ in life is a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles That makes as much sense as anything else in this thread... Bob W wrote: thanks to the magic of HG's time machine, Orson was simultaneously his grandfather and his niece. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 09:23:41 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Adults on bicycles That might work, Bob, if it were applied consistently in all other areas of activity, and if the wearing of cycle helmets could be shown

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/11/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, it's different in America. Your suburbs are much larger. Amazing what botox can do ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 10:26:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread John Coyle
, Australia - Original Message - From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Don Williams
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse. A little maintenance might have helped -- as well as care and attention when riding? A serious fall would do me no good whatsoever at 74. I tweak the spokes

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Doug Franklin
mike wilson wrote: Short, regularly travelled routes seem to have a disproportionate number of accidents. I don't think anyone has done any work (at least, I can't find it online) to work out if that is merely due to a statistical function or if there is a human effect at work. I suspect

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
I find it difficult to disagree with you. 8-))) From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/02 Thu PM 01:13:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles mike wilson wrote: Short, regularly travelled routes seem to have a disproportionate

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Adam Maas
Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Malcolm Smith
Doug Franklin wrote: I suspect that it mostly boils down to familiarity breeds contempt. Those short, regularly traveled routes are the ones where the driver is most likely to be running on autopilot because they know the route, and probably also the most likely, therefore, to be where

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Bob W
In that case you'd better unsubscribe. Doug B won't want agreement breaking out all over his list. I find it difficult to disagree with you. 8-))) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread ann sanfedele
One of my favorite photos ever... I'm way behind on reading stuff on list - I was expecting a photo of yours though :) ann Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy:

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread graywolf
Proper maintenance of the bicycle? Bicycle wheels are immensely strong they support my fat body no problem. They do not just collapse out of the blue for no reason. You folks remind me of those college kids I see jaywalking, If I don't look he will not hit me. You have to operate with the

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread graywolf
Message - From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse. A little

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread graywolf
I suggest that folks read Effective Cycling by John Forester with a open mind, then think critically about what he says because his information is based upon the facts, not the feelings involved. Riding according to his teachings I have never even had a near accident even when commuting in big

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Bob W
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles One of my favorite photos ever... I'm way behind on reading stuff on list - I was expecting a photo of yours though :) ann Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/02 Thu PM 02:30:47 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Adults on bicycles Doug Franklin wrote: I suspect that it mostly boils down to familiarity breeds contempt. Those short, regularly traveled routes

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK each year is only 62 km42 (and in the Netherlands

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Bob W
Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread John Francis
PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 09:26:40 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles That makes as much sense as anything else in this thread... Bob W wrote: thanks to the magic of HG's time machine, Orson was simultaneously his grandfather and his

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
LOL Based on a 30 stride, that's 528 steps. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz In my household, besides driving to work (15miles and 6miles), there are mostly short trips: gym 1/4 mile -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread frank theriault
On 11/2/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Gonz
We drop off the kids to go swimming. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL Based on a 30 stride, that's 528 steps. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz In my household, besides driving to work (15miles and 6miles), there are mostly short trips: gym 1/4 mile -- PDML

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 02 November 2006 15:20 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles One of my favorite photos ever... I'm way behind on reading stuff on list - I was expecting a photo of yours though :) ann Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread David Mann
On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Bob W wrote: You make your own choices (or do you? isn't it compulsory in NZ?) It is compulsory in NZ, and I just happen to agree that wearing a helmet is a good idea for my situation. I may have become indoctrinated by the requirement though :) The way things

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. Maybe. That's a small crack of willingness I can just get my crowbar of persuasion into -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread mike wilson
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed AM 01:47:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Let's see, did he say that before WWII when almost no adults in the US rode bicycles, durning WWII when many rode out of necessity, after

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I imagine those laws sure do make a lot of money for the helmet sellers,

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
Wed AM 01:47:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Let's see, did he say that before WWII when almost no adults in the US rode bicycles, durning WWII when many rode out of necessity, after WWII when adults never would be caught on one in fear

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I imagine those laws sure do

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I imagine those laws sure do

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:03:49 -, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread mike wilson
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 12:30:05 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 01/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:23 AM, John Forbes wrote: Here lies the body of Michael O'Shay, Who died defending the right of way. He was right, dead right, as he sailed along, But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong. I don't tend to wear a helmet, though common sense dictates that I should.

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Tim Øsleby
Sent: 1. november 2006 13:14 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
The only dead person I have seen in the UK, outside a coffin, was a cyclist who had just been knocked over. John I guess you've been lucky. I've seen dead motorists, dead shoppers who were waiting for a lift, and dead motor-cyclists (all wearing helmets), but never a dead cyclist. Bob

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
2006 08:05 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. Maybe. That's a small crack of willingness I can just get my crowbar of persuasion into -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
OTOH, it is a personal decision, and I wouldn't think less of someone who has perhaps decided that they don't want or need a helmet... Precisely, and I would not think less of someone who chose to wear one. I am an adult of sound mind. It's not for some health-and-safety-obsessed busybody

Re: Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread DagT
I use a bike to get to work from the beginning of April to the end of October each year and I never used a helmet (or had an accident) until last year. Then someone reminded me that my head was realy not only mine any more and that I have three kids who at least partially depend on it. Then I

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Mat Maessen
On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be completely in the right, and that a car might be in the wrong and hit a cyclist. Since cars have a mass of some 20 times that of a bicycle and rider, physics tend to be on the side of

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bertil Holmberg
My old neurosurgery teacher said: ”It is wise to use a helmet, it protects the brain, that is were the wisdom is located. Regards, Bertil -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life or recovery after an accident. Bicycle riding is another matter, but still deserves the helmet. Regards, Bob S. On 11/1/06, Mat Maessen [EMAIL

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
: Adults on bicycles Oh, well, I was having one of those senior moments and was thinking of Orson Wells who became famous with a radio broadcast based upon one of HG's stories. I wonder if they were related? Yes, I know I could look that up... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
that have been made. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bertil Holmberg Sent: 01 November 2006 20:50 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Adults on bicycles My old neurosurgery teacher said: It is wise to use

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On 11/1/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life or recovery after an accident. Bicycle riding is another matter, but still deserves the helmet.

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On 11/1/06, Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be completely in the right, and that a car might be in the wrong and hit a cyclist. Since cars have a mass of some 20 times that of a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
Of graywolf Sent: 01 November 2006 12:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Oh, well, I was having one of those senior moments and was thinking of Orson Wells who became famous with a radio broadcast based upon one of HG's stories. I wonder if they were related? Yes

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Mat Maessen wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 01 November 2006 21:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Absolutely wrong on both counts, IMHO. If a car hits you doing 50kmh, the direct hit

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Mat Maessen wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. This means behaving like the driver of a vehicle, obeying the traffic laws, changing lanes properly, positioning yourself on the road properly, stopping at red lights,

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life or recovery after an accident. Bicycle riding is another matter, but still deserves the helmet. Regards, Bob

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Adam Maas
frank theriault wrote: On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Absolutely wrong on both counts, IMHO. If a car hits

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK each year is only 62 km42 (and in the Netherlands only 850 km43), so the

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
No, wearing a helmet is a way to avoid paranoia. Anything that makes you feel safer, actually increases your real world risks. Any competent survival instructor will tell you the safest thing to do in a real survival situation is to be alone, unarmed, and naked. Adam Maas wrote: frank

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. This means behaving like the driver of a vehicle, obeying the traffic laws, changing lanes properly, positioning yourself on the road properly, stopping at red lights,

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:55:02 -, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, wearing a helmet is a way to avoid paranoia. Anything that makes you feel safer, actually increases your real world risks. Any competent survival instructor will tell you the safest thing to do in a real survival

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:13:05AM -, John Forbes wrote: I believe that in the UK the average car journey isn't much more than 3 miles. All those mums who drive their kids half a mile to school, and then a quarter of a mile to the supermarket. It's why they're so fat. I'd question

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:26:38 -, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Forbes
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 01 November 2006 21:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread David Mann
On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a hurry), and in some cases, as much as I hate to

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Coyle
02, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Mann On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. [...] The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Having once, many years ago, gone over the handlebars when a front wheel collapsed, landing on my face and spending three days in hospital as a result, I would prefer to wear a helmet when riding, whether or not I was required to do so. Note

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Don Williams
4:00 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread frank theriault
On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ Well, if the bicyclist is the main subject of the photo, I'd

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread John Forbes
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:07:12 -, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy:

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread mike wilson
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/31 Tue PM 01:07:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Bertil Holmberg
The up to date version should be: Every time I see and adult cyclist wearing a helmet, I no longer despair for the human race Take care, Bertil 31 okt 2006 kl. 09:39 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race --

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread frank theriault
On 10/31/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're absolutely right, Frank, but I don't think this chap had AE and zoom lenses. It only goes to show that you need decent equipment if you want to take a good photograph. We must remember: People don't take photographs, cameras do...

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Bob W
I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bertil Holmberg Sent: 31 October 2006 16:30 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread frank theriault
On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean you think it's obvious he never wears a helmet? (Inquiring minds and

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:58:17PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread frank theriault
On 10/31/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean you think it's obvious he never wears a helmet? (Inquiring minds and all that...) I have no idea what I meant. I rarely do. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread frank theriault
On 10/31/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Frank's comment is aimed at the parenthetical phrase. That's as plausible an explanation as I can provide. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Bob W
He's a subtle one is Frank - he could mean anything. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: 31 October 2006 22:37 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Tue, Oct 31, 2006

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: He's a subtle one is Frank - he could mean anything. You must meet Frank. How about North Carolina in June? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread graywolf
Let's see, did he say that before WWII when almost no adults in the US rode bicycles, durning WWII when many rode out of necessity, after WWII when adults never would be caught on one in fear that others would think they could not afford an automobile, or in the 70's and later when bicycles

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Evan Hanson
I rode my bicycle to work today. :) On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ -- Regards, Bob

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread graywolf
Frank, I can only say, HAR!. frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ Well,

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread David Mann
On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: The up to date version should be: Every time I see and adult cyclist wearing a helmet, I no longer despair for the human race Last week I saw a fellow riding down one of our local trails without a helmet. I don't care that it was the

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-10-31 Thread Bob W
Hmm. Maybe. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 31 October 2006 23:52 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 31/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: He's a subtle one is Frank - he