Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Steve Desjardins
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Minolta sells more SLR's than Pentax. Of course, Minolta does advertize. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 05:08AM >>> >That was 1985. Only Herb Keppler and Goobers care what Minolta does now. I doubt it. regards, Alan Chan __

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Johan Schoone
"Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The future existance of film based cameras might be debateble, but I always > thought good lenses were important. I know Photoshop can do wonders, but no > amount of sharpening can replace high resolution lenses. Am I missing > something? I don't think

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Alan Chan
>That was 1985. Only Herb Keppler and Goobers care what Minolta does now. I doubt it. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Alan Chan
>Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same >thing would be true for a "flagship" Pentax. Pentax will never recover the >R&D costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film >SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single dig

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread frank theriault
Hey, Dave, You obviously missed my point. I wanted you to offer them to ~me~ before the list! I'm thinking Viv 19mm, SMC 1.4 50mm, and the LX body... -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: > Not to worry Frank.. > everything (if I decide to go that route) will be offered list wide first > before g

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread David Chang-Sang
ct: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Hi, Dave, You just go sell your LX along with your k-mount lenses. You just go whole hog into a C or N digital system. Just lemme know what you're selling before you post on the list. Remember how I didn't haggle on the CL? And, you won

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Pal, The Yashica Electro 35 had an aperture priority electronic shutter. When did they come out, around 1968? Maybe earlier. I'm quite certain that they preceded the ES. Of course, they were rangefinders, so the ES would be the first aperture priority SLR with an electronic shutter, AFA

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Dave, You just go sell your LX along with your k-mount lenses. You just go whole hog into a C or N digital system. Just lemme know what you're selling before you post on the list. Remember how I didn't haggle on the CL? And, you won't have to find boxes to pack stuff in and get to

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
JCO wrote: > Zero impact? I disagree, if you wanted AE in the 1960's > SLR, Pentax couldnt deliver. I think my point was that hardly anyone wanted AE in the 60's. Particularly not in that form.. Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: > Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing >would be true for a "flagship" Pentax. But Minolta had huge sucess with their 7000 in spite of being a Minolta. >Pentax will never recover the R&D costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians. I think Kristian gets the credit. Jung would have been proud. . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EM

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
r the leaders in that area. JCO > -Original Message- > From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? > > > JCO wrote: > > > > Other SLR maker

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:59 PM > > Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? > > > > > > > Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) > > > > > > > No

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a "flagship" Pentax. Pentax will never recover the R&D costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit t

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: > Are these, like, every lens ever made, catalog entries, or real (you can buy) AF >lenses in current production? I'm talking production numbers. Not exclusively AF lenses. I find the idea of a digital slr that take 70's or 80's lenses, in addition to current ones, to be a sound

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
JCO wrote: > Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE > (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses > around 5 years before the Pentax ES. > > aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. But only Konica nd Canon bothered with this kind of auto. Most other manufacturers lik

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Steve wrote: > I'm definitely not saying that Pentax needs a DSLR to stay in business. > I'm saying that my fear is that Pentax might have so much financial > trouble (for any reason) that they will go the Olympus route and stop > producing their better cameras, especially the 35 mm variety. I t

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Bill Owens
Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) > No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM >>> > Really? > I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, > despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. > > -- > Krist

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
tember 04, 2002 1:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? > > > JCO wrote: > > >They > > didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. > > Huh?? > The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and > the first with aperture priority auto. > > > Pal >

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM >>> Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 15:59 Europe/Dublin, Rubenstein, B

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pal Jensen
JCO wrote: >They > didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Ryan wrote: > Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? Almost nothing comparisons to the market leaders in digital. Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Sylwester wrote: > Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax > exposition :-( Huh Why not wait until Photokina and see whats being showed? The web page you mention has never been a preview for whats being shown. Pentax won't disclose anything until they release

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Dick wrote: > Didn't anyone read the repeat of Herb Keppler's article on Photokina here > yesterday? He explains very specifically why Pentax and Minolta are not in > the digital SLR game. But Keppler is wrong. There are more Pentax lenses out there than Canon EF lenses. Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
Volume. Actually, Canon does make money selling cameras: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/page16.html "Camera segment sales were ¥211,392 million, up 20.8%. Silver-based photographic cameras are cited as continuing to decrease due to market tilt toward digital cameras and low pricing of silve

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Kristian Walsh
Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 15:59 Europe/Dublin, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: > No, but I hear there will be private showings of their new fiber o

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Cotty
>Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax >exposition :-( > >http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7 >5c7b3e03ec-15-50586} Poppycock. There's nothing on that list that tells me that a DSLR will not be shown. Cotty _

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doug, Neither do I.. :) You'll note I said I would wait until AFTER Photokina :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:53:36 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? You know, I mak

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well.. I think that seals it.. I was hoping.. nay praying that I'd see Pentax come out with a blockbuster announcement stating that they were actually releasing or working on or contracting out a DSLR body that will accept K mount lenses. An affordable (comparitively speaking of course) DSLR th

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Bob Rapp
- Original Message - From: "Sylwester Pietrzyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting list! Lenses for "large and medium" format cameras! Schniender/Rodenstock - take notice! Bob Oh, it really does not list and new items.

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Jostein
same old news, then. Strange, though, that "Single Lens Reflex Cameras" is listed twice... Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax >exposition